Well you received reply's from the top heavy hitters in the passive game here on BP.choosing wisely is key as noted.. real estate debt can be a great spot for the busy professional.

I cannot qualify for traditional conventional for multiple reasons but the over 200 to 1 debt to income ratio is a primary reason.  

Quote from @Levi Perl: Hi,Curious if anyone has what to say in terms of how to calculate which one is more worth it: to cash out refi on a Long term rental now at 70% LTV, and walk away with X amount of positive cash AFTER paying all debt, (X is a positive number and significant amount for me), which will allow me to potential get another long term rental and grow portfolio faster, or wait 4 months and cash out 80% LTV, giving me DOUBLE than X. 

However, many investors get around this with a debt service loan.

Fees are usually a percentage of your settlement (I think around 10-15%), so make sure you’re comfortable with that before signing anything.

Quote from @Sam Epperson: let's say I come to an agreement with the seller for them to finance some of the deal. let's also pretend the seller owns it with no debt, and we agree to 5% down, 5% rate, and 10 year balloon. how are we drafting this legal document?

my SS deal is one of my participation deals were I provide the capital to the operator via a debt instrument then take a participation as part of the note agreement. 

If they are billed separately, the charges may fall into Fair Debt Collection Practices Act laws.

But like he said, f something goes wrong with ANY of the properties you have debt on, you might be in a pickle.

I have worked in real estate debt since graduating in 2021, so I have solid (but not expert level by any means) experience with underwriting multifamily properties.