Without crunching real numbers, my napkin math is probably close to 20% avg annual return.  

Let me know if my numbers are correct, I run a call center for Real Estate so I look at these kinds of numbers all the time.

@Peter Tverdov I hear about “Say Rhino” on the Remote Real Estate investor podcast today and found it interesting.

I know 2 of them personally.I've also been looking for meet ups around real estate investing here in Michigan and also noticed a lack of networking opportunities as well.

What is the reality of it from real experienced people?

My good friend has already had a lot of success in real estate and is an ultra high income earner.

These lists include details like the type of permit, property address, project scope, and sometimes the owner or contractor's contact information.How Real Estate Investors Can Use Building Permit Lists:Identify Potential Sellers:Investors can track permits for major renovations or additions.

@Sharad BoniRecommend exploring as many sources as possible to get referrals AND cross-reference them to get as much accurate information as possible.Check out NARPM.com, BP’s Property Manager Finder (BiggerPockets: The Real Estate Investing Social Network), etc.Also, encourage you to learn from the mistakes of others - by reading posts here on BiggerPockets about owners not having their expectations met by their current Property Management Company.

You mentioned you sort of had a PM, what if you got a real PM? 

Hello, I have been investing in real estate for about 3 years and have always just purchased off of the MLS I am now wanting to branch out and try to get organic leads.