Honestly a verbal bid is a waste of time, most investors are not contractors and need detail in order to obtain apples to apples comparative bids. 

The problem i have is ... the house is a single family house and i put a wall in between to separate the 2.. i dont want to bring the wall down.. i can bring it down anytime but i have some renters so i dont want to bring the way down.. the wall makes it 2 condos instead of a Single family...once again i can convert this anytime to single family...now when the appraser comes and see it is not single fmaily is it going to cause my line of credit to be denied?  

After this incident, I didnt want to waste a day in my life in a career that i did not care for. i think the earlier you start, the better as you will start to build your book of business and clients.

I know here ....I can not get an electrician or plumber or dry wall company to give me quotes on a rehab...I will end up paying double or triple to anyone who will just show up !

Wasting time sending those mail pieces and on the phone when they call you. 

The other way around is a waste of time.There are areas in LA where a triplex or a fourplex are a good way to get into buy and hold investment, as the price per door is more affordable than SFR/condos.

Don't waste your time in deals like this.

If you can't find anything applicable to the discussion with an hour of research, you should probably consider that you ARE WRONG.And btw, now you've just wasted my time reading this links that you clearly didn't even read yourself (especially the one that argues against you).  

They're great for small businesses that simply need a desk, four walls, some cabinet space, and privacy.Leases currently begin at 1yr.

But when there is a problem you are not their customer and they have very tall walls that you cannot get through.What did I learn: Until the deed is recorded there is nothing that prevents someone from recording a lien on the property against the previous owner and your owner's title policy may not (probably will not) cover it.I will use my own title company in the future.