that we’ve learned in our 24 years, managing almost 700 doors across the Metro Detroit area, including almost 100 S8 leases:Class A Properties:Cashflow vs Appreciation: Typically, 3-5 years for positive cashflow, but you get highest relative rent & value appreciation.Vacancy Est: Historically 10%, 5% the more recent norm.Tenant Pool: Majority will have FICO scores of 680+ (roughly 5% probability of default), zero evictions in last 7 years.Class B Properties:Cashflow vs Appreciation: Typically, decent amount of relative rent & value appreciation.Vacancy Est: Historically 10%, 5% should be applied only if proper research done to support.Tenant Pool: Majority will have FICO scores of 620-680 (around 10% probability of default), some blemishes, but should have no evictions in last 5 yearsClass C Properties:Cashflow vs Appreciation: Typically, high cashflow and at the lower end of relative rent & value appreciation.

that we’ve learned in our 24 years, managing almost 700 doors across the Metro Detroit area, including almost 100 S8 leases:Class A Properties:Cashflow vs Appreciation: Typically, 3-5 years for positive cashflow, but you get highest relative rent & value appreciation.Vacancy Est: Historically 10%, 5% the more recent norm.Tenant Pool: Majority will have FICO scores of 680+ (roughly 5% probability of default), zero evictions in last 7 years.Class B Properties:Cashflow vs Appreciation: Typically, decent amount of relative rent & value appreciation.Vacancy Est: Historically 10%, 5% should be applied only if proper research done to support.Tenant Pool: Majority will have FICO scores of 620-680 (around 10% probability of default), some blemishes, but should have no evictions in last 5 yearsClass C Properties:Cashflow vs Appreciation: Typically, high cashflow and at the lower end of relative rent & value appreciation.

@Dominic CampeloWith your contracting expertise and business growth, you’re in a fantastic position to enter real estate investing.

@Haley White that’s awesome you were in a position to be able to pivot and take advantage of the market. 

Don’t forgot to look at all the ways properties make money: Appreciation (#1 way), equity gain through principle pay down, tax benefits, positive cash flow (never as much of a wealth-builder as appreciation is in good markets).

Back when we started virtually everything had positive cash flow but I was lured by the seemingly higher cash flow associated with class C.  

If so, would you mind sharing their contact information, websites, etc. with me?

If you use the Heloc option and decide to rent it out, don't forget that property (or you) will have to cover both your primary and secondary position notes.I don't personally see Marin being a great mid term market.

- Many PMCs only put on their website and Zillow and do NOT put on MLS for max exposure.2) How many pics are in the ads and what do they show?

Expect another brutal year for investors in the South and Southwest, particularly in Texas and Florida, and particularly in Austin, TX - perhaps the worst positioned market in the United States for returns in year 2025.