I got very frustrated trying to buy large tapes. 

things have changed in real estate, certainly, in the past handful of years, esp with regulations and red tape.

Those programs are not for me and the path I have chosen is to study mostly free resources (I've bought a few books and audio tapes spending under $200) and networking with investors online and in person (I have spent around $200 on this).

@Al - here are a few resources that I have found helpful:The no BS guide to writing a sales letter Dan Kennedy ( title is something like that)The ultimate marketing strategy Dan Kennedy ( title is something like that)Outrageous marketing for outrageous results bill geyser or something like thatDuct tape marketing don't know author's namesI'm a big Dan Kennedy fan - yes he up sells in his books, but the content and psychology insights are well worth the cost.

So it's no way unethical because I don't know or have any relationship with the homeownerI only do pre-approve short sales to avoid all the red tape and gamesI'm not flipping the home to anyone!

Past Jobs:Burger Flipper while in High School.Car stereo installation and repair.Medical Equip Field Service Rep.Commercial Cleaning Franchise.Opened a Movie Rental Store (VHS Tapes), ran it for a few years then sold it for a decent amount.New Car Sales.Biomedical Engineer.Current Job:IT Director for International Franchising Company, I've had this job for almost 15 years now, starting to burn out...Owner of JAKE Properties.

RoofingRemove all existing shingle roof and asphalt paper Remove all existing flashing and hats Install new 15# asphalt paper Install new flashing and hats Install new 30 year 3 tab roof shingles Includes all dumpsters.4 buildings4,700 sq ft apieceSiding 32,000Caulking and Painting 6,000Roofing 17,600Price is for all 4 buildings total.If extensive damage is found once removing besides normal repair costs could go up.DECOLORS PAINTING, INC.GERMAN IBARRAPresident13450 SW 134 AVE.

Commercial leasesI think Bryan pretty much covered everything that should be included in a well-rounded CRE forum.If there is a downside by having a commercial forum it's the fact the wolves will come out in droves to try and pitch their wares, offer 100% financing, sell a commercial tape with 30 brokers in the chain etc.I think a commercial forum should require verification of the poster and a higher post count to post before they can post.

I want one that can pry the black off asphalt!

Theres 2 levels of HM lending; institutionally where it's some HM business that you have no connection with, possibly find online, and in my experiences these have the most red tape and fees by far.