that we’ve learned in our 24 years, managing almost 700 doors across the Metro Detroit area, including almost 100 S8 leases:Class A Properties:Cashflow vs Appreciation: Typically, 3-5 years for positive cashflow, but you get highest relative rent & value appreciation.Vacancy Est: Historically 10%, 5% the more recent norm.Tenant Pool: Majority will have FICO scores of 680+ (roughly 5% probability of default), zero evictions in last 7 years.Class B Properties:Cashflow vs Appreciation: Typically, decent amount of relative rent & value appreciation.Vacancy Est: Historically 10%, 5% should be applied only if proper research done to support.Tenant Pool: Majority will have FICO scores of 620-680 (around 10% probability of default), some blemishes, but should have no evictions in last 5 yearsClass C Properties:Cashflow vs Appreciation: Typically, high cashflow and at the lower end of relative rent & value appreciation.

that we’ve learned in our 24 years, managing almost 700 doors across the Metro Detroit area, including almost 100 S8 leases:Class A Properties:Cashflow vs Appreciation: Typically, 3-5 years for positive cashflow, but you get highest relative rent & value appreciation.Vacancy Est: Historically 10%, 5% the more recent norm.Tenant Pool: Majority will have FICO scores of 680+ (roughly 5% probability of default), zero evictions in last 7 years.Class B Properties:Cashflow vs Appreciation: Typically, decent amount of relative rent & value appreciation.Vacancy Est: Historically 10%, 5% should be applied only if proper research done to support.Tenant Pool: Majority will have FICO scores of 620-680 (around 10% probability of default), some blemishes, but should have no evictions in last 5 yearsClass C Properties:Cashflow vs Appreciation: Typically, high cashflow and at the lower end of relative rent & value appreciation.

With myself as an operator I would offer the following: underwriting the deals, a detailed scope of work, a detailed material list, the labor, and the management.  

If you don’t like it, you can always pivot and sell, convert to a long-term rental, or move into another investment strategy with the equity and knowledge you’ve built.Starting this way means you’ll go through every key step: finding a deal, securing financing, managing tenants, and understanding property operations, but in the lowest-risk way possible.

All are being used as LTR and managed by local PM. 

If they did, that’s really bad practice management.

There are certain brokerages that act more like true w2 employers, but for the most part you will be managing yourself.

The first thing here would be the regulations and laws governing acquiring properties, managing properties and selling properties.

Next StepsContact 311 or the Chicago Department of Water Management to request a meter recheck or usage audit.If the new bills seem drastically off, request a review for billing errors or adjustments.Consider installing low-flow fixtures or monitoring usage with a smart meter device to ensure there’s no hidden waste.It’s frustrating, but you’re not alone in this!

Quote from @Ronald Rohde: Quote from @Joseph Gozlan: We own, operate and manage industrial & Flex in Texas.