Where is the win for them? 

You don’t win by moving your king around recklessly.

Most I have talked to are 10 years at best and with many properties, they will simply not cash flow at that price. 

Zero.Seems you're simply converting 21k to a Roth as opposed to 50k.

That would go in front of a judge and the person with the most evidence or most convincing story will win.

You cannot have a contract that simply states "install high-quality countertops" without specifying the quantity, location, type, or style.

My first MF I represented the buyer on I made 100k. for maybe a weeks worth of work. 3. if your going to be looking a more resi style duplex 4 plex a lot of those get listed and having access to the MLS is far superior to any other on line listing service ONE simply because you will be able to talk to the actual LIsting agent not someone paying for leads.And then of course having access to MLS lock box's and not relying on agents.. this is huge.Now if your maybe going to buy one property sometime in the future and you have no interest in learning the RE laws of your state or making any money with transactional real estate then sure.. its a pass.. although I would still recommend the pre license course so you learn the basics  the vocabulary and states unique laws.. knowledge is power in RE.

I went actually on the street of the city I wanted to invest in and asked people just walking around about the city, what might rent, etc and found this method to be extremely beneficial I met some local real estate agents walking their dogs that gave me great recommendations and leads just because I asked them.The real estate agent son I met the other day has called my phone and is connecting me with a landlord that I really want to get into contact with for his building who already has tenants airbnbing at his location.I also found a Mentor (simply by asking around), which has offered to teach me all their ways, tips, tricks and so on as long as I help them stage, help them move items and so on.

and are you looking to walk away with cash or simply refinance (meaning paying off) what you owe? 

You simply get a discount on this purchase, equal to your tax rate.