I know the "survive till 25" crowd was banking on interest rates going down to the 4's or low 5's next year and that was going to save these deals.

I would also consult Airbnb/VRBO in guest mode to see how competition is doing. 

Also carrying cost while your in rent up mode.3.  

If I had not had my license, then I could not have seamlessly moved into "listing mode."

When you said 3rd party PMs nickel and dime to survive, why don't true turnkeys have to do that to survive?

Also, the whole SubTo model is a bit icky and can often get messy from what I've seen.

It's just a matter of knowing where to go....oh and this is possible with 0% origination fees and without increasing the rate...not a bait and switch, i have a different compensation model. I

Mold requires moisture to survive.

Investing is survival of the fittest. 

Experience is the only real teacher, so I’m at take action mode, glad to chat one on one if you have questions.