.- some won't agree but I install glass top ovens and a fridge with water/ice maker.

So I warned him he's on thin ice, and trying something else like this, we'll evict.

If, in the middle of the coldest part of a NY winter, an ice storm hits and disrupts power to utility customers, disabling their heating sources. 

Meanwhile my pool tables don't seem to get a lot of use at all, nor the air hockey tables. 

My property cash flows around  $1000 a month after all expenses, i paid 369k for a 4 plex and it appraised for 430k not even a year later and market rents have went up about $200-$250 also in my area increasing my cash flow even more. this refi is just the iceing on the cake to me.do you have any investment properties you have recently refinanced?

. - refrigerators: never incl. an ice maker.

Because the thermostat is set so low the system continues to run under conditions it was not designed for and causes ice to start forming inside the indoor section. 2) You mentioned the service tech " refilled" the system.

Cash flow is just icing on the cake.      

And I should manage it as MY money, not a freebie, not a gift, but something that is mine.They want to use a HML on an asset they want to fix and keep, and hope to refi...but with a HML for at least 6 months, and no experience of fix/rehab they likely will not come out ok, but hear it as a way to get in the game.They want to enter into a wholesale contract with no money to perform, another using other people's money thing.They want to manage a syndication, because they did real good in the real estate boom and now are real estate geniuses, kind of like selling ice cream in the Summer.

oh yeah I even worked for a place that did ice road trucking  with 18 wheel trucks on the Kuskoquim river.