Cause 9/10 are the shadiest, lie with a straight face, ***** in the world. 

You couldn't return a single call, email, or text and lied about being able to deliver a product.

HOA in that area that are lower on price, are not keeping the building in good conditions as this one, numbers don't lie. 

Our “coach” kept telling us, “oh you will most likely NOT get the properties,” LIES!

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All negotiations is a form of playing chicken in who will blink first and who is willing to walk away. 

They are obviously lying to you...and I wouldn't rent to them...however, you can require that their dog be neutered IF you accept their ESA letter as valid.

Also if I replace part of a wall with sheetrock when I meet the ceiling the plaster has chicken wire in it. 

I'm seeing some chicken or the egg action here.

You’re making the classic mistake of pursuing a deal just because the property owner didn’t give you a quick no.If you want to pursue for some reason just make them an offer that’s good for you and after they reject it you can go forward with finding a deal that can be purchased at an “investor” price - or at “investor” terms.Here’s my bias - I don’t waste my time worrying about how much the seller paid, how much he invested, how much he owes, the asking price, what his motivation is (which is probably a lie or “half truth” anyway), whether he’ll be “insulted” by my offer, whether he’ll “like” me or “hate” me.