Losing $5,000 or $10,000 in profit because you don't want to put up $500 or $1000 deposit that you are going to get back when you close is not good business in my book.If its a deal then put your money where your mouth is (IF you have to, of course :D)

If you did not understand what I am trying to do all you need to do is ask before you open your mouth.

Run it by an attorney before you stick your foot in your mouth, or worse.

Attend enough meetings and you will have learned some things, know your way around the courthouse, figured a way to discretely remove chicken gristle from your mouth without attracting attention, and get treated like a peer.

I think you have a decent argument against the association - however, are you ready to put your money where your mouth is (so to speak.)

Yes, OPEN YOUR MOUTH.

It seems by your comments that you two "call people out"on programs that they might be involved in and that they are a "shill", why don"t you 2 put your money where your mouth is.You 2 are being called out by J"s suggestion:( Better yet... after re reading my post, maybe I'm not being... too fair.So here's how I'll prove it...

You’re talking out of both sides of your mouth.

Better to be thought of as a pompous jerk than to open your mouth and remove all doubt...

But I knew how to sell and close.now granted I sold land and ranch's so dress was jeans etc with boots for walking through the brush and such.But its really sales skills and techniques that are critical and I was taught by some of the best land men of their day.You had to take control from the first words out of your mouth.. if you are not controlling the conversation and the presentation you wont be a closer and closers is what U need to be if you want to make any money.I suspect that goes for wholesaling which many of you guys are trying to do  however which is MUCH tougher than just selling real estate you either own or is on MLS.