Perhaps residential rental is a dirty business no matter what market you're in and how long you've been in.Funny how both you and @Charles Kao mentioned the word "greedy." haha,Thanks mate and I appreciate it.It's not just the turnkey operators that should stay local but more so the marketing companies and sales channels selling turnkey properties.They put their name/brand behind too many markets and they usually ruin it within 24 months.Their have been so many instances of this happening over the years (I won't mention any names but they are all known and well talked about on for forum).Only very few are still alive that work in multiple markets but even they had many setbacks and lost face on multiple occasions and in multiple markets.As I mentioned in my prior comment, it's hard enough doing a good job in just one market lolRoofstock isn't a turnkey company by the way.They are more of a tech platform.VC's gobble that stuff up.Not sure if Roofstock has any IP with their tech but if they do, it doesn't look like anything fancy or that can't be easily replicated IMO.VC's are very hot lately on real estate tech so I'm sure Rooftsock will be able to raise more capital if needed and expand further.Business these days has become more about raising capital, spending it, raising more, spending it and then hopefully getting a high enough valuation for some of early investors (Series A for example) to sell and make a high ROI.I like the old fashioned way of doing business lol.It's called "Growing revenue and profit every year and never loosing or borrowing money".Yep, you call me "An old dog" business owner I guess lolThe market is full or "Wantrapreneurs" these days and not many true entrepreneurs.Anyway, back to turnkey lolTurnkey companies don't need to nickel and dime on PM because they make their margin on the sale and not necessarily on the PM.Don't get me wrong, they will still make their money on the PM side but they will also cover a lot out of pocket themselves.Most of us want our clients to be happy and to buy more so we go above and beyond for them during the after sale process.Even if it means putting our hand in our own pocket sometimes.12% is high for PM but not unusual.We charge 10% and for some lower class properties we charge 12%.PM is a ****** business mate and you only start seeing something come from it after you manage around 300 units.It's usually a **** show for the first 3-4 years lolPM is a thankless job mate and tenants will always complain and post bad reviews no matter what.As long as their aren't many bad reviews from landlords, that's what matters most when judging a PM company.Here is a tip for you.Any PM with reviews of 4 stars or better on Google is doing a very very good job.Even 3.5 isn't bad.3 stars is borderline IMO (Make sure to check them out to see if any landlords are posting complaints).You can't win with contractors mate.It's a non stop cycle of "hire and fire".It's just a cost of doing business in this line of work.Thanks mate and much successEvery time I see "mate" I can't help think of that Youtube video of slow-motion kangaroo streetfight in a quiet Australian neighborhood with classical music in the background.

If you can learn how to work the numbers like an investor then you'll know the difference between a real deal and the classic MLS "investor's dream". 

It's the classic case for the ira or 401k.

Such as: self tinting, energy efficiency, storm rated, classic look, etc.

I started going to college for Music, I'm a classically trained singer.

Classic opportunity cost question.Ks RE?

The key, I think, is to actually stay away from the "classic" REI keyword portfolio and look for cheaper ways to get in front of the same audience.Typically, we'll do this by prioritizing the most profitable keywords in phrase match variations, avoiding exact match altogether (broad is still too broad in most markets, though it's probably worth a test in a market like yours).Another key is going to be finding the place at which you can affordably compete - NOT going after the top positions because that's what everyone else is doing.We find that the top spots in MANY markets are actually not worth the increase in cost - and that you can actually do more deals by targeting position 2, 3, etc.

It was a total fixer upper and I did the classic thing of buying the worst house in the best area.

Airbnbs (and short-term rentals) have classically been a good investment, with returns that were often 2-3 times that of traditional long-term investments.

It is the classic Vanilla vs Chocolate.