we bought 3 years ago so pretty good deal. but friends of mine that bought in 2011 to 2012 KILLED it.. far better than those that talk about appreciation is luck or icing or whatever non sense they like to couch that buying for cash flow only is the only sane way to buy real estate..

This estimate included adding ridge and soffit vents, ice guard, and new flashing on four chimneys. 

We all have a common interest so that is a great ice breaker and as  @Chris Titus mentioned people love talking about their passions which for many of us is real estate investing. 

That's what we're working on now... one or two sources, same general requirements (stainless steel vs black, ice maker or no, top-down vs side by side, etc). 

That being said, I've been searching for something that would deliver a similar cash on cash return (not concerned with appreciation as that would just be icing on the cake) located in Suffolk/Nassau.

My thoughts why drive north for a few hours and worry about the snow if I can fly south for 2 hours and find a good market and not deal w ice and snow..

I have sceen and known about people who can cross the busiest high speed highways without getting creamed by a fast moving vehicle but just because there are others that do it does not mean I am going to try it. 

I only want to look at appreciation as the "icing" on the cake (unless we're talking forced appreciation).

I recently read that appreciation should be seen as the icing on the cake, not as the reason to invest.

I am a long term hold focused cash flow focused investor, equity is just icing for me.