@Omar Khan  And they stole our vodka right out of our freezer.Those were the teeth of fate that tore into me, those were the lips of fortune that smacked over me, that was the gullet of horror through which I descended into the heaving acid of the belly of life that made me the real estate investor I am today, flaked and formed, reconstituted and transformed.McRib is more than a program, more than a lifestyle.

Would you be willing to share an example of one, of course with any sensitive info removed?

By 'cutting your teeth' doing some local managing, you will be more experienced with all the little situations that pop up with your properties.  

However, I've had several conversations with "successful" investors who cut their teeth AFTER 2008.

I think she just got a little sensitive that folks got on and did not just come back with the BP RA RA RA. 

Hey Doug, sounds like a tough one bc at this point, Tenant 2 is going to be extra sensitive to any noise.

Happy to share link and case number but figured that was sensitive to posting rules.

If you don't have that professional full time sales or marketing experience, and you will be "cutting your teeth" with this undertaking to try to be one of that 20%, I'd suggest buying 3 or 7 books on sales or marketing, and reading them all. $200 in books to make sure you aren't wasting $5000 of direct mail marketing dollars seems like a prudent choice, and even if all of your real estate undertaking still fail, at least you will be better prepared the next time to ask for a pay raise or prepare for a job hunt.

They're not quite as rare as hen's teeth, but close.   

If the area is saturated with STR's for example cabins in the Smokies or say SFR's in Myrtle Beach the appraiser will calculate using STR income.All of that being said, there may be some banks/lenders that are more sensitive to STR's and they may have additional rules on top of the general Conventional guidelines.