Double  check the  loan to  value  as  getting  an  80% ltv on a  cash out  rental loan seems unrealistic 

Find rental owners with poor performing properties and you'll eventually find one that bought their rental(s) with unrealistic expectations.Many of these investors just really wanted a stream of cashflow and didn't want to deal with tenants, missed rent payments and clogged toilets.Some of these investors will be open to offers with seller-financing.

Perfectionism: Some investors set unrealistically high standards for their investments, aiming to find the "perfect" property or deal.

Many believe unrealistic assumptions and often apply those assumptions to the wrong property classes.In our OPINION (always verify your area for yourself!)

So 8k/month would be 96k a year - so 96/500 = 19.2% return - hypothetically anything is possible but it's completely unrealistic 4k/month would just be half of that so 9.6% return - I think this is possible doing great deals.

Perfectionism: Some investors set unrealistically high standards for their investments, aiming to find the "perfect" property or deal.

I know the law and a progressive sees it differently, but not allowing some discretion is crazy, unrealistic.

If you made 200 offers on properties that need fixing up I think it would be unreasonable to not get one under contract (As long as your expectations for your market are not unrealistic)It's taking me upwards of 30 offers to get an accepted offer in Phoenix right now.

May new investors here are often going down the wrong path because of unrealistic expectaions.

Do not claim unrealistic mileage.