Which is where we came in and made the offer at asking. 599k was a decent price. 590k would have been optimal but the seller was not budging on price because of comps. 2 reasons though he listed it "cheap". 1) The house needed TLC in terms of cleaning, painting, some flooring, landscaping, door hardware, the basics.

Although the house we are closing on for $155 k and will probably put 5-10k in and other comps in the area that are clean/updated (which is what the 5-10k is for) are between $180k-$190K so we are thinking we will the ability to pull some cash out after a year on the refi maybe?

I know that <5,000 sqft you do not)Legal: $3,500Other: $16,000 (Budget for unforeseen issues)Tap & Capacity Fees: $27,515 Building Permit Cost: $2,391.17 (estimated $706K total costs)Site Plan Review: $224.64 ($100 + $.015 p/ sqft)Wastewater Capacity Fee: $750 per unit x 8 = $6,000Water Capacity Fee: $750 per unit x 8 = $6,000Meters: $300 per x 8 = $2,400Water Tap Fees & Install: $300 per unit + 900 installation = $2,400 +900 = $3,300Wastewater Tap Fees & Install: $300 per unit + 800 installation = $3,200Facilities Tax: $4,000 - ($500 * 8 units, I am assuming this will change as I haven't asked solid numbers )Total Development Costs: $783,785 (8 units costing $94, 848 each, which I think is high)Proforma CF $ - Year 1 Year 2 Year 3 Year 4 Year 5 Year 6 Year 7 Year 8 Income   Rental Income (Increase 2.5%/yr) 2.50% $ 79,200.00 $ 81,180.00 $ 83,209.50 $ 85,289.74 $ 87,421.98 $ 89,607.53 $ 91,847.72 $ 94,143.91 Vacancy (10% in Yr1) 5% $ 7,920.00 $ 4,059.00 $ 4,160.48 $ 4,264.49 $ 4,371.10 $ 4,480.38 $ 4,592.39 $ 4,707.20 Gross Income $ - $ 71,280.00 $ 77,121.00 $ 79,049.03 $ 81,025.25 $ 83,050.88 $ 85,127.15 $ 87,255.33 $ 89,436.72                   Expenses                   Real Estate Taxes $ - $ 9,000.00 $ 9,090.00 $ 9,180.90 $ 9,272.71 $ 9,365.44 $ 9,459.09 $ 9,553.68 $ 9,649.22 Insurance 2.50% $ 3,000.00 $ 3,075 $ 3,152 $ 3,231 $ 3,311 $ 3,394 $ 3,479 $ 3,566 Trash Collection ($250/unit) 1% $ 2,000.00 $ 2,020 $ 2,071 $ 2,122 $ 2,175 $ 2,230 $ 2,285 $ 2,343 Common Utilities 2.11% $ 2,400.00 $ 2,451 $ 2,512 $ 2,575 $ 2,639 $ 2,705 $ 2,773 $ 2,842 Management Fee (10%) 10% $ 7,920.00 $ 8,712 $ 8,930 $ 9,153 $ 9,382 $ 9,616 $ 9,857 $ 10,103 Repairs/Maintenance 3.00% $ 2,138.40 $ 2,313.63 $ 2,371.47 $ 2,430.76 $ 2,491.53 $ 2,553.81 $ 2,617.66 $ 2,683.10 Turnover/Redecorating 1% $ 2,000.00 $ 2,020 $ 2,071 $ 2,122 $ 2,175 $ 2,230 $ 2,285 $ 2,343 Snow Removal/Parking lot cleaning 2% $ 1,500.00 $ 1,530 $ 1,568 $ 1,607 $ 1,648 $ 1,689 $ 1,731 $ 1,774 Landscaping 2% $ 2,000.00 $ 2,040 $ 2,091 $ 2,143 $ 2,197 $ 2,252 $ 2,308 $ 2,366 Admin Fees 1% $ 1,200.00 $ 1,212 $ 1,242 $ 1,273 $ 1,305 $ 1,338 $ 1,371 $ 1,406 Total Expenses $ - $ 33,158 $ 34,463 $ 35,188 $ 35,930 $ 36,690 $ 37,466 $ 38,261 $ 39,074 Net Operating Income $ - $ 38,122 $ 42,658 $ 43,861 $ 45,095 $ 46,361 $ 47,661 $ 48,994 $ 50,362                 Property Value @ 8 CAP $ - $ 476,520 $ 533,223 $ 548,258 $ 563,686 $ 579,517 $ 595,761 $ 612,428 $ 629,530 Obviously, Once I account for my debt service (DS), say $758,000 @ 5.25% for 240 months ($5,108 p/ month), I am under water.Year 1 NI [$38,122] - DS [$61,296] = -$23,174 = Meaning I cannot do this project.......

The subcontractor can also handle turnover cleaning and things like changing carpet etc.Will this model work and can scale up without Hiring property managers?

The subcontractor can also handle turnover cleaning and things like changing carpet etc.Will this model work and can scale up without Hiring property managers?

With volunteers help we were able to complete the initial clean and gutting effort but still lot of work needs to be done.

I do no carpet. 

best bet is to hire a full season lawn / snow service that can do your property year round..Seasonal rates for each  snow and for lawn care.. get some bids.. your going to find the good companies are probably already booked for snow and won't touch you unless you contract with them also for lawn care.. so make sure and mention that when you call.. have them do the fall clean up.. and get started right away.. 

I have a tenant who is generally a great guy, except that he won't keep the yard clean of cigarette butts or dog waste.

Easy to clean and put back up or replace.