Otherwise, I agree with @Everett Marshall and @Tim Ball but there are other routes as well.

Either you have to make low ball offers or you have to compete with other investors on already well priced listings.  

Also we are planning on ripping the oil furnace out and putting in a high efficiency gas so I feel as though I should play hard ball and tell him to take his fuel which legally he can do before closing, if that is the case the PVC vents could go away however that's only worth 200.

It sounds more like he is fishing for a sucker to make an offer without him giving an asking price or letting you view the property than you dropping the ball.  

I would never agree to a low ball offer with a chance of raising the price. 

Ask them if they have 15 minutes to talk to "compare notes" about the situation.If they don't live near by, then it's a different ball game you'll have to try this over the phone (much harder) and might get hung up on.

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I'm looking to get into whole selling but it seems a little more difficult especially when I know like 0 investors and I have no partner..So that's why I wanted to kinda jump head first and go straight to a hard money lender so I can get this ball rolling.

Don't be afraid to make low ball offers if the situation is right.  

what happens if you have been making the interest only payments on a HELOC for 10 years and then life throws a curve ball?