I would say you need to play to your strengths, whatever those might be.

@Chris Seveney @Marcos A Miranda - you guys are playing with fire - https://www.biggerpockets.com/search?

One of their so called instructors from one of the training sessions asks the students to go to the five star hotels, or go play golf, or go horse riding, or go hang out at the high end night clubs for the sake of fund raising.

I also think, the flat rate ppl are playing to a race to the bottom. 

Not sure if the upstairs tenant (heavyset person with a dog) plays a role.Seeking suggestions.

He had other projects that he committed to.Want to play a challenging game?

It is a very safe play.

Comps to me no longer play the only role because of rates, seasonality, etc., it definitely fights the arguments on re-fis with the appraiser but I'm noticing there's just a liquidity issue that is skewing things.I try to essentially start at the floor and work my way up on the ARV as opposed to seeing the highs and working it down.

This could be an opportunity to add value by offering to help with clearing or relocating those items as part of any potential agreement.Why This Could Be a Good Move for YouYou see long-term potential in the property, especially with the large lot and development possibilities (even if those are years down the line).As the current tenants, you have the advantage of a direct relationship with the landlord and familiarity with the property, reducing competition and risk.This could be a chance to lock in a property that you might otherwise lose if it hit the open market, especially in today’s competitive environment.Challenges to ConsiderIf the landlord is emotionally tied to the property or reliant on rental income, they may be reluctant to sell.Financing could be tricky, especially with today’s interest rates and the gap between the current rent and what a conventional loan might cost.The development potential you’re interested in is likely a long-term play, which means the property could be financially tight in the short term, especially if you’re only breaking even or slightly negative on cash flow.Structuring a Potential DealTo make this feasible, you’ll likely need to explore creative financing options that align with both your financial capacity and the landlord’s goals.Seller Financing: Propose a deal where the landlord acts as the lender, allowing you to make monthly payments directly to them.

If they aren't playing ball, walk away.You will need to make sure the home is code compliant.