But if experienced agents and investors from your market agree with your numbers, it's time to ditch the agent.

@John Moorhouse Respect your hustle so much, but don’t ditch high school.

then they must be losing money and when the next cheap thing comes - people will ditch it .

I realize things happen and at some point I might need to ditch one, but for a person active in note purchasing that's an issue to know about.

Like everyone else trying to ditch the day job asap and retire (if you can call the real estate part "retirement") - about 25% of the way there now.

But the PM aspect of a turnkey provider is a huge part of their value, so if clients regularly want to to ditch their PM, there are probably other aspects of the business that warrant scrutiny as well.Some great turnkey companies work in multiple markets, but be wary of those that sell properties in a half a dozen markets or more, because they're usually just marketing companies that advertise properties owned by other companies.

I'm sure you know it, you're sure they know it, somewhere in time these people lost the thread and decided to bask in their ignorant bliss and go with the flow for one group of BS reasons or another until the wheels came off whatever no-credit-history-necessary lifebus they've spent the last twenty years on.The wheels are off and they're in the ditch, and it's not your problem or your responsibility to put their wheels back on or get that lifebus out of the ditch.

If sightlines are terrible up on hill or down in ditch.

I would ditch the voicemail and would completely disagree with "hangups are not motivated".  

You can bust your butt with more labor, dig that ditch or carry that load.