I know that <5,000 sqft you do not)Legal: $3,500Other: $16,000 (Budget for unforeseen issues)Tap & Capacity Fees: $27,515 Building Permit Cost: $2,391.17 (estimated $706K total costs)Site Plan Review: $224.64 ($100 + $.015 p/ sqft)Wastewater Capacity Fee: $750 per unit x 8 = $6,000Water Capacity Fee: $750 per unit x 8 = $6,000Meters: $300 per x 8 = $2,400Water Tap Fees & Install: $300 per unit + 900 installation = $2,400 +900 = $3,300Wastewater Tap Fees & Install: $300 per unit + 800 installation = $3,200Facilities Tax: $4,000 - ($500 * 8 units, I am assuming this will change as I haven't asked solid numbers )Total Development Costs: $783,785 (8 units costing $94, 848 each, which I think is high)Proforma CF $ - Year 1 Year 2 Year 3 Year 4 Year 5 Year 6 Year 7 Year 8 Income   Rental Income (Increase 2.5%/yr) 2.50% $ 79,200.00 $ 81,180.00 $ 83,209.50 $ 85,289.74 $ 87,421.98 $ 89,607.53 $ 91,847.72 $ 94,143.91 Vacancy (10% in Yr1) 5% $ 7,920.00 $ 4,059.00 $ 4,160.48 $ 4,264.49 $ 4,371.10 $ 4,480.38 $ 4,592.39 $ 4,707.20 Gross Income $ - $ 71,280.00 $ 77,121.00 $ 79,049.03 $ 81,025.25 $ 83,050.88 $ 85,127.15 $ 87,255.33 $ 89,436.72                   Expenses                   Real Estate Taxes $ - $ 9,000.00 $ 9,090.00 $ 9,180.90 $ 9,272.71 $ 9,365.44 $ 9,459.09 $ 9,553.68 $ 9,649.22 Insurance 2.50% $ 3,000.00 $ 3,075 $ 3,152 $ 3,231 $ 3,311 $ 3,394 $ 3,479 $ 3,566 Trash Collection ($250/unit) 1% $ 2,000.00 $ 2,020 $ 2,071 $ 2,122 $ 2,175 $ 2,230 $ 2,285 $ 2,343 Common Utilities 2.11% $ 2,400.00 $ 2,451 $ 2,512 $ 2,575 $ 2,639 $ 2,705 $ 2,773 $ 2,842 Management Fee (10%) 10% $ 7,920.00 $ 8,712 $ 8,930 $ 9,153 $ 9,382 $ 9,616 $ 9,857 $ 10,103 Repairs/Maintenance 3.00% $ 2,138.40 $ 2,313.63 $ 2,371.47 $ 2,430.76 $ 2,491.53 $ 2,553.81 $ 2,617.66 $ 2,683.10 Turnover/Redecorating 1% $ 2,000.00 $ 2,020 $ 2,071 $ 2,122 $ 2,175 $ 2,230 $ 2,285 $ 2,343 Snow Removal/Parking lot cleaning 2% $ 1,500.00 $ 1,530 $ 1,568 $ 1,607 $ 1,648 $ 1,689 $ 1,731 $ 1,774 Landscaping 2% $ 2,000.00 $ 2,040 $ 2,091 $ 2,143 $ 2,197 $ 2,252 $ 2,308 $ 2,366 Admin Fees 1% $ 1,200.00 $ 1,212 $ 1,242 $ 1,273 $ 1,305 $ 1,338 $ 1,371 $ 1,406 Total Expenses $ - $ 33,158 $ 34,463 $ 35,188 $ 35,930 $ 36,690 $ 37,466 $ 38,261 $ 39,074 Net Operating Income $ - $ 38,122 $ 42,658 $ 43,861 $ 45,095 $ 46,361 $ 47,661 $ 48,994 $ 50,362                 Property Value @ 8 CAP $ - $ 476,520 $ 533,223 $ 548,258 $ 563,686 $ 579,517 $ 595,761 $ 612,428 $ 629,530 Obviously, Once I account for my debt service (DS), say $758,000 @ 5.25% for 240 months ($5,108 p/ month), I am under water.Year 1 NI [$38,122] - DS [$61,296] = -$23,174 = Meaning I cannot do this project.......

Jessie Niu Seller is probably the largest highest grossing broker/builder in the area.

Stories3Price/Unit$86,458.33Year Built1972Property TypeMultifamilyLot Size0.56 ACProperty Sub-typeGarden/Low-RiseAPN / Parcel IDWHAV-000048-000023 Financial Summary (Actual)Year2017Operating Expenses$101,837Scheduled Gross Income$245,376Net Operating Income$134,870Effective Gross Income$236,707Pre-Tax Cash Flow$36,876 Debt & Equity InformationDebt TypeExistingAmortized Over30Loan Amount$1,660,000Annual Debt Service$97,994Interest Rate4.25%Down Payment$415,000

Appraises at $190 today, let's say you get 2.5% the first year.Sell at $195,000 in 12 months7% transaction costs = (13,632)Gross Sale: $181,350Cash Flow :$1,320Loan: ($154,500ish)Net Revenue: ~$28,000May think about taking that win.  

If (as an example) you can find $100-$300 positive cash flow per door and you want to have $10,000 gross income per month before taxes and such, then you have to have $10,000 / $100 to $10,000 / $300  = between 100 doors to 33 doors.Living in the tri-state area, $10,000 per month isn't much to live on.

I have a 4-unit property that brings in $144K/yr in gross income.

What I failed to realize is that the going rate for PM (10% of gross rent) is not enough for these management companies to make a living.

Chris Reichelt I think I'd start at the top, how does the Gross Income compare to the 2016 *collected* rents?

Here are the key data points:Park info  Located in Alabama61 lots25 owner occupied homes18 park owned homes (14 currently rented; 4 currently being repaired and should be rented soon)18 vacant lotsAvg lot rent - $160 (unknown what the market rate is but it doesn't sound like there has been a rent increase in at least a year, maybe more)Avg POH rent - $400Expense ratio - seller claims 26% but I'm estimating 35% for the lots and 50% for the POH'sCity water - individually meteredSeptic - good condition (allegedly); a couple were pumped last year, none this year (no lagoon thank heavens)Seller claims gross income $130k, expenses $30k, and NOI $100kI calculated gross income of ~$135k, expenses of $60k (55% on POH and 35% on lot rentals), and NOI of $75kOther infoMom & pop seller, but park is listed with a brokerPark has been on the market for > 3 years (recent price reduction)Greater metro area stats look goodPopulation = 115kMedian home price = $105kUnemployment < 8%Household income > $40kHousing vacancy ~ 15%Closest Walmart is 7 miles awayFreeway is 1.5 miles awayNumbersMy valuation is coming out about $80k-$100k under the seller's asking priceWith conventional financing I'd be hoping for a purchase price of $500k, $100k down @ 6% over 20 years (not sure if this is plausible or not)Assuming that financing, I'm expecting net cash flow of $40k (after debt service)Upside potential is in raising rent and filling the 18 vacant lotsFollowing the same assumptions above, raising rent $50 (if the market supports it) would change NOI to ~$90k and net cash flow of just over $50kFilling the vacant lots could potentially increase gross rent up to somewhere between $150k-$200k, depending on what the appropriate occupancy rate is for the areaWithout verifying any of the above information (haven't offered anything yet so there's a lot of DD left to do), the deal seems to make sense. 

The student loan interest can be a deduction too for some folks depending on their yearly adjusted gross income.I also use notes to pay for all types of things.