Hi All, My first post and a newbie but here goes.Quick summary of home: Bay Area home 3bd/2bth Eikler style home with radiant floor heat built in 1955.

Where I am, you might need 150-200 acres to support the herd of 50.

He has been through about 4 cycles he said and he said each time for commercial multifamily was the leading drive on the rebound.If you look at cycles they all have similarities and some differences.Recognizing these patterns leads to the best portfolio and the best returns versus risk.What Rich said holds true in that you avoid the herd mentality.People that do not invest prudently do good with some properties and then the others bring them down to a negative to flat position for years before you can recover.Some of these syndicated pools of investors look at the big project as a smaller risk.That is fine if the gamble is made based on the funds entered is only a small percentage of their total worth.Example if the have 2 million liquid and want to spend 100k for an interest in a property that could throw off very high returns than they are still safe versus their overall portfolio.I can tell you that buyers think "I am buying so low there is NO WAY I can lose on this!".

Great post guys,Has anyone ever herd of Samson Miller and Votton Finance?

In the equities markets the “smart money” will do just that, in the early stages of a boom they will go along with the herd but then jump off the bandwagon as soon as it gets crowded.

Investing is based on a particular investors perception and no more.Following the herd is what most people usually confuse it with.In this secondary reo market the benchmark is buy cheap above all else.A.H.M.'

any one ever herd of these people some guy name shawn sent me an email and i assume he got my email off of here just curiouse if any one had any dealings with them thanks....steve

This seems like a lot less work than herding private money cats.Cobbling together capital to finance long-term deals is also hard because of securities problems and the desire by the gov-mint to protect non-accredited investors.

If they keep on hearing in the news that there is a gold rush going on in real estate of real estate is the hot new thing to invest in , it will result in more people purchasing properties.Most people have a herd mentality and they want to invest when it is "safe".

just to be clear about my opinion, I am talking about long term investing, not day trading. i think day trading is a losing game, except for the 1% who "know more than the market." if you want to discuss which is a better investment, i think it is clear that real estate is (if it is your thing). however, real estate requires your time which my preffered method of stock market investing takes very little time. dollar cost averaging is truely passive investing. if you want to talk truely passive real estate investing where you spend an hour a month looking over statements and you are not hands on in any way, i dont think you will do much better if any than the stock market......over the long term. what the recent stock market crash has reminded people is that it is a volatile market and some people are not comfortable with that. i think real estate is not as volatile.to the question of whether or not people will jump from stocks to real estate. because of how the stock market has acted lateley, i think yes. big hedge funds have proven that. i am just saying...give it 10 years and possibly a few good runs by the stock market and people will be "following the herd."