Maybe I'm being cynical, but it seems like a pot a gold at the other end of the rainbow type of a chase.

So if you want an investor frindly lender i have that contact.I havent been very active on bp due to the negativity here on bp but a bug bit me tonight and i decided to stir the pot to that negativity.Anyways... good post John.

My net is determined by the size of my marketing budget.

Best way is to buy the ones with an elastic band, place it into a clean and empty pot then pour the paint into.

There is a light at he end of the tunnel and hopefully a pot of gold. 

Now, I'm not ancient but I'm still of the generation where you grabbed the tennis racquet and a pot lid or paperbag and threw it out....:)

@Mikki McIntyre The model that I advocate is, starting with a pot of cash in the amount to cover the down payment, closing costs and reserve requirements for a hard money loan on the average size or maybe the largest size purchase you would do as a flip or a buy and hold. 

In my case, I was able to have the seller kick in an additional $3K to sweeten the pot and was able to get the deal done.

There's about a 350,000$ rental income a year and the net net is 70-130,000$ depending on capital investments needed.

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