Owners mistakenly ASSUME all PMCs offer the exact SAME SERVICES and PERFORM those services EXACTLY THE SAME WAY, so price is the only differentiator – so, they often select the first PMC they call or that calls them back!

.- I have not done a brrrr since the rates increased in early 2022 because in my market they bleed cash after I perform a refi to extract some of the value add

I think this stuff needs to be redesigned or pulled from the market if this is how it is (not) performing.

They're paid by the job and if their performance ever decreases (which can happen - they're great for a time and eventually for whatever reason their quality, timeliness, etc declines) then it's easier to phase them out & replace them with a different crew. 

You haven't even closed yet so how can you assess its future performance as profitable or not.

For example, you can show the services you performed and the approximate number of hours spent by using an appointment book, calendar, or narrative summary.Doesn’t even need to be contemporaneous logs. 

Discuss COC return, run a financial analysis for him and a performance chart showing the ROR after multiple properties have been acquired and cashed-out... good luck.

In our market, you can self manage, with all the associated work, and out perform the LTR income.  

In the process of BUYING a PURE Option to buy a SFH subject to an existing loan (at a lower fixed long term interest rate)Let say the OPTION "Strike price" to BUY the property IF or WHEN the OPTION is EXERCISED is $300K The seller wants $60K to sell us the OPTION.

If there's a hole, it may be a red flag.b) sensitivity analysis: I examine all the assumptions, and make sure I can live with the worst case scenarios.c) "Stall and see": if they are getting money over multiple years, and there is no penalty for investing later, I would usually wait so I get some real performance data, versus having to look at theoretical pro forma information.d) Recession stress test: I will not invest in anything, until I subject it to recession level stress and see if I can live with the result.