I'm working on a 53 unit deal now without banks.There are so many different ways to skin a cat in this game. 

If you read what I said, I apologized if I assumed you weren't a HML and you were.My answer is still the same, there's nothing in the deal but problems for the buying from year 3 and beyond....and if you think I was lecturing you, you have a very thin skin. 

From the lenders point of view, they want to see that you have "skin in the game" that way if you do run into any complications, you'd be more motivated to address them as you are invested financially in the project yourself.Regarding the tenants, I'm a bit less experienced in that regard.

Trump.My skin crawls just thinking about it.

For some people this comes naturally but everyone can learn it. 

But I am not convinced and think that the world the technocrats want to build is not compatible with human nature and our purpose for being here in the first place. 

I've also since realized that I don't think my personality matches up well with the thick skin needed to be a landlord, and the deals I've found (yes, I know many can say I'm not finding good enough deals) don't have a ton of room for property management fees (or if they do, they're in areas that I would never want to have to go - and I would if something ever happened w property management). 

@Martin NestaI don't have much info for you - but I do know the 'nature of the beast' I can share with you... perhaps something will help...Most property tax "just values" in Florida - the value they say your property is worth - are intentionally set about 15-20% below market value.  

So if the landlord only owns one four-plex, or two duplexes, or a single and triplex, and the landlord is a natural person (not a corporation or partnership), or the landlord is an LLC in which all members are natural persons (no corporate or partnership members in the LLC), the landlord can still require two month’s rent as security deposit.So for those CA investors who invest in properties with four rentals or less, and place each rental property into its own LLC, and the LLC members are all natural persons, those investors can continue to require two month’s rent as security deposit.

For example with heat, the fuel (electric, oil, natural gas, etc) all cost differently.