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All Forum Posts by: Zhen Shao

Zhen Shao has started 1 posts and replied 7 times.

@Frederic Babeux Thank you for your thoughts. Yes, we will rent out on Airbnb after WFH is over. Our goal is for the long haul. But I am not sure whether the holding cost is worthy if the appreciation is so slow or may not happen at all. It might be better to exchange for a better cash flow property instead of betting on appreciation.

@Alexander Wang Thank you for the trend analysis. It seems the window to sell is very small. Timing is too hard for me. I may just wait until the appreciation is much higher than my target price, then I don't need to worry about the timing.

Glad to know you are from Mountain View :) I am wondering whether there is any investment property club or forum in MTV. Do you know any? Thank you!

@Jonathan Greene I am very interesting in the auction company. How does it work? How is it different from a normal sale which usually involves bidding too?

@Jonathan Greene Thank you so much for your suggestion! I feel in the same way. 100K is a loss I should pay. But since the commission fee for selling a property is about 5% (2.5% for seller agent, 2.5% for buyer agent), it adds another 120K. The total seems too much! Maybe I should get a license and be my own seller agent? I am very good at learning new things and exam. License application should be easy for me. Does it make sense? Or an experienced agent can bring a lot of values other than a license?

Originally posted by @Jonathan Greene:

I would just sell it at a loss and take the equity baked in and use it for something else that you know you are making a better deal on. Holding a 2.4m property so you don't lose 100k on the value seems silly to me. You can't win every deal, especially when you know you paid too much in a hot market. Sometimes a small loss becomes a huge gain by getting rid of the anvil weighing you down.

Yes, we can rent 3 beds out, which is not different to Airbnb. But as COVID-19 is still going on, we have to WFH, which needs more privacy due to conference call.

Besides, there is no way that rents cover mortgage payment. Our mortgage payment is 8400 dollar per month plus insurance, property tax, etc, total is about 11000 dollars per month. In Bay Area, in normal days, 3b2b is about 4500 dollars per month, which still leaves us a big negative cash flow.

Originally posted by @Varun Talluri:

Is renting out the 3 beds and having tenets instead of Airbnb not an option? where the rents cover most of the mortgage payments? 

I was inspired by BRRR to do the second purchase. Although I haven't complete the full cycle, I have strong belief in it. It's part of reason why I would like to sell the first house.

We purchased our first house in Mountain View, CA 94043, in Jan 2018, when the housing market was crazy. And it was not a good deal at all. It costs us $2.4 M with 20% downpayment, 3% interest rate. But soon, we realized that we paid at least 100K above the market value. Besides, as a family without kids, we don't enjoy or need such a big house at all. So we tried all the manners to compensate the loss. 

1. Adding values to the house. However, it is a single family house with HOA. There is not allowed to do any structure change.

2. Rent part of the house. The house can be easily split into two parts. So we lived in one side with 1 bedroom, 1 bathroom, kitchen, family room, laundry, garage. And rent out the rest 3b2b on Airbnb with an income about 6000 per month. Util Covid-19, we cannot rent any more. As economics slow down, Airbnb rental might be not as good as before in 1-2 years.

3. Sell it. Last year, we bought an investment property in San Jose. That house was bought at about 1.2M. It already has a even cash flow. And we are in the process of permit application for expansion plus ADU with a hope of more cash flow (might be able to match 1% rule). We really like our second purchase and started to think about selling our first house in order to buy another 2 investment properties. We have talked to a couple of seller agents. Almost all of them estimate the sale price would be about 2.3M. At this price, we will lose (2.4M - 2.3M) + commission fee 5% * 2.3 M = 220K. We paid about 80K principles. So the cash out from the sale will be 2.4M * 20% + 80K - 220 K = 340K.

Questions:

1. Should we sell at huge loss and exchange for an investment property ASAP as a payment for our lesson?

2. Or the only thing we can do is "wait" until the market bounces back? Appreciates 5-10 years later? 

All suggestions/discussion are welcome. Thank you!