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All Forum Posts by: Robert Steele

Robert Steele has started 56 posts and replied 612 times.

Post: Is the housing market cooling?

Robert SteelePosted
  • Investor
  • Lucas, TX
  • Posts 618
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@Chris Carlson I am a buy & holder plus part time flipper. I've been a net seller these past 3 years though. The money has been too good. Triple the normal appreciation in a span of 6 years. I had to take some money off the table.

I hate to say it, but I noticed this slump starting  well over a year ago, thus this thread. The stalling of rent increases gave the earliest indication of where this market was headed. What I'm still not sure of is, is this just a normal correction in an otherwise bull market or have we hit the cycle top. I'm hoping for the former but leaning to the latter.

I'm not so worried about my SFRs. Yes I expect the rent to drop but I also am expecting the taxes to as well. I've been in this weird limbo land where my rent has been going nowhere but my taxes are getting bumped up, in some cases 20% a year. To be fair, this also happened at the beginning of this madness in 2012. My rents were skyrocketing but my taxes weren't budging. So I guess it evens out.

I'm concerned about my flipping. It used to be I could count on the house selling for what I appraised it for, or even more, a few months later. Then I could sell it immediately. Now I'm concerned with holding costs blowing out the budget if it takes a month or two to sell. Margins have been tight enough with all the competition. 

@Ben H. Earlier this year I got a SFR in McKinney under contract to sell in 3 days for 4% above ask and closed within 2 weeks. Right now I have a similar house in McKinney sitting for 6 weeks with an ask 4% below market and no showings for weeks. Hoping its just the Thanksgiving to New Years stretch being a bad time to sell.

Post: Is the housing market cooling?

Robert SteelePosted
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We are now getting mentioned in national media. I read one article highlighting how dire things were getting in Frisco and now this one about Plano in the WSJ. 

"The U.S. Housing Boom Is Coming to an End, Starting in Dallas"

Post: Bought a house at a Tax Sale - now what?

Robert SteelePosted
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  • Lucas, TX
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Thank you both for the comments. I'd like to update this thread with what has happened since.

The tenants got their ~$110K from the court with the help of their lawyer within the month. As soon as it cleared they cut me a cashiers check for the 2 months rent owed and security deposit. Next months rent was due in a week.

Will they will be good tenants moving forward? Will I have to evict them? Will they redeem the house? And what happens if I still own the house after the 2 year redemption period?

Stay tuned.

Post: Bought a house at a Tax Sale - now what?

Robert SteelePosted
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This is more of an informative post than a post seeking answers but suggestions and comments are welcome. I just wanted to take the opportunity to share my experience of buying a house from a county tax sale in the hopes of entertaining and educating fellow RE investors. I apologize in advance to those of you who are sophisticated investors. I want to make the post clear for everyone. The house in question is a 2000 sq.ft. 3 bed, 2 bath in a good neighborhood in north Texas. The ARV is about $260K. More if it was done up nicely.

I did a drive by prior to the auction and searched the deed records for anything that might cause a problem, such as medical collections or federal tax liens. I noticed that the house had no mortgage so there was no chance of the bank swooping in to save the day. That's a good sign. Most houses that come up for auction never make it to the auction block. Having the Sheriff or Constable threaten to sell your house is a great motivator. People usually don't pull their head out of the sand until the last minute. I've literally seen an auction delayed because the owner was rushing with money to pay off the taxes. Anyway, I digress.

The day of the tax sale I come ready to bid up to $160K. I like to leave a very large cushion for houses I cannot see the inside of. I've done rehabs on houses, albeit larger, that have eaten up $100K. While I am milling around with the other dozen or so people waiting for the auction to start I overhear someone on the phone talking about this property and how it has a $90K IRS lien on it (which I will have to pay). Panicking somewhat I try to redo my deed research on my phone. Not very successfully I might add. Did I miss something? I still cannot find it. The auction is about to start. Do I lower my bid by $90K?

Instead I decide to trust myself. I've been doing deed searches for many years so I am confident that if there was such a lien I would have found it. The auction starts and as it happens I am only bidding against the guy who I overheard. Well he gave up and I got it for $130K. A lot less than I was expecting. He must have been adding the $90K IRS lien into his calculations.

Now what do I do? Well the first thing is I pay a title company a couple hundred to run an abstract of title on the property for me to see if I missed anything in my deed search like that IRS lien. It turns out that I did not. Whew, bullet dodged.

Next, I wait for the deed to be filed and once that is done I contact the current owners by mail sending them a copy of the deed and letter giving them until the end of the month (it was the 10th) to decide if they wanted to rent from me or move out. I even offered them $1K to help them move.

Now I know a lot of investors say do not rent to the previous owners if you obtain a house via auction and that is probably good advice but I had one sticking point. You see, I was worried about them trashing the house on the way out. As I have never seen the house and have no documented evidence I would never be able to prove what the condition was when I purchased it.

Now I've got a pretty good equity buffer here and how much damage could they really do? Well I've seen foreclosures that have been trashed on the way out and it's not pretty. Electrical junction boxes torn out, wiring pulled out of the walls, toilets removed and concrete poured down the drain. This in addition to all the normal holes in walls, windows broken and fixtures plus appliances removed. The costs can add up quickly.

Another reason that I want to rent it to them was so I won't have to worry about make ready. You see, when you buy a tax sale, in Texas at least, you have to hold it during the 2 year redemption period. You cannot sell. If the previous owner redeems it they have to pay back how much you bought it for and every necessary bill or repair plus 25 or 50%, if redeemed in the first or second year respectively. This means it can include costs such as insurance, taxes, lawn service and repairs necessary to maintain the condition of the property, like fixing a leaking roof. It does not include cleaning carpets, new paint or replacing broken appliances.

In addition, because of the fact that they can redeem the property at anytime, if I wanted to rent it out to someone else I'd have to make it a month to month lease which is not very attractive. Although I know many landlords advocate month to month I don't think they are dealing with A and B class properties. In my experience these types of tenants want yearly leases. All in all I would be looking at renting this property for well below market rent or risking some extra investment to make it rent ready.

So assuming I decided to kick them out given conventional wisdom or had to kick them out for non payment of rent what would my options be? I know that Texas law states that upon a demand to redeem from the previous owners I have 10 days to give them an itemized account of whats owed. This means that on day one I can give my tenants the 30 days notice required in lease. Once the previous owners are ready to pay I am then supposed to give them a quit claim deed. I figured I could drag that out another 20 days by not accepting payment. Lawyers don't move that quickly and by the time a law suit got off the ground the time would be up and I'd surrender the property to them. If the current tenants overstay their lease that's the previous owners problem. It says nothing in the law about having to give them back a vacant house. It also doesn't say anything about what condition the house has to be in which makes for some interesting thought experiments. 

So I go over to the house several days later to introduce myself in person and get a feel for what they want to do. It turns out to be an old couple who didn't know that their house was even going up for auction. Not too surprising. In my experience the good houses that come up for auction are usually because no one knew about it. Of course they have no money but I know that the can claim the money from my bid in excess of the taxes owed, some $110K. This is another reason I am interested in renting to them. Unfortunately while it was an amenable conversation not much comes of our encounter.

So the end of the month rolls around and I am ready with the lease. They still don't have the money. I say don't sweat it. Just sign the lease and you can pay me later. Yes I know every landlord that has ever lived is rolling over in their graves right now. But it allows me to get inside to see the property and document the condition. Now I have a basis if they trash it and I know they'll have that $110K at some point so this is not like trying to get blood from a stone. I ask them when they can pay, they don't know but give me the 26th.

The 26th comes up and still no rent. They say that maybe they will be able pay on the 6th. The 6th comes by still no rent. They say that they are having trouble getting their money from the court. Apparently the court has some weird rule that you have to hire a lawyer to petition the court to get your money and the lawyer is not allowed to charge you more than $1K. I've never heard of the court imposing a restriction on how much you can pay a lawyer to represent your case. This sounds fishy. Either these tenants are blowing smoke up my *** or this is an elaborate way for the system to screw people out of money who are already down on their luck and cannot afford a lawyer.

The tenants have been telling me that an investor is interested in helping them to redeem it but is also waiting on them getting their cash from the court. I imagine this would work something like the investor getting a first mortgage on the property for the difference, about $53K by my reckoning which is a pretty good first lien position to be in on a $260K ARV house. A niche market for some of you maybe?

So now it's been 2 months since I first won the auction. I send a breach of lease demanding payment, the honeymoon is over and I haven't seen a single red cent from these people. No word. I follow that up a few days later with a Notice to Vacate. I do it in this way because Texas law states you cannot repeal the notice and accept rent if you had not previously sent a late notice. Doesn't make much sense to me and I don't think anyone would care or enforce it but I am a stickler. 

I finally hear from them again crying about how scared they are of getting evicted, about how I said I was going to work with them and lamenting about how they are on their third lawyer and still no money from the court. I tell them to give their current lawyer permission to talk to me about the case and a commitment for half the current months rent by the of the month. I look up the lawyer instead of using the phone number they provided. You never know, it may have been their brother's number. The story checks out. The lawyer tells me they should get the $110K within a month or sooner. 

So now I am still waiting. Normally I'd never let a tenant go this long without payment. Not even close. But the way I see it I have so much windfall I could let the property sit vacant for the 2 years and still make out like a bandit. 

Speaking of being a bandit. As I come to the end of this lengthy post, sorry about that, I'd like to reflect a little on the moral implications of all this. On one hand it seems mean to take advantage of an old couple by taking their home away from them for 50 cents on the dollar. It also feels wrong to be complicit with a government that would do such a cruel thing. I tell myself well if it wasn't me it would have been someone else. Maybe someone who would have given them a 3 day notice to vacate the day they got the deed. On the other hand they made their own decisions that lead them to this point and we all have to pay our taxes. Telling myself that is not much comfort. A lot of times being a RE estate investor requires the stomach of a concrete elephant. Even if this works out stellar, financially for me, I'm not sure I would want to do it again because of the morality of it.

Post: Is the housing market cooling?

Robert SteelePosted
  • Investor
  • Lucas, TX
  • Posts 618
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Note that this thread was originally posted in the Dallas Real Estate forum.

There are many more metrics today pointing to the fact that the market is cooling off significantly. @Shital Thakkar I think this may be more than just stabilization. I think that this may be the beginning of a cycle top.

The prime culprit seems to be the Fed raising interest rates and they don't appear to be stopping anytime soon.

I am taking the opportunity to sell some more houses even if I get a little less that I might of a year ago.

Post: HUD auction fraud

Robert SteelePosted
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  • Lucas, TX
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@Greg H. That was what I was afraid of.

So the is the moral of the story, if you can't beat them join them?

At least I got to vent.

Post: HUD auction fraud

Robert SteelePosted
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Sorry to resurrect such an old thread but has anyone ever made a fraud complaint to HUD or heard about one being made or heard about someone being busted for passing themselves off as an owner occupier? I never had and yet I have seen this fraud happen frequently over the years.

I just missed out on a juicy HUD foreclosure that I had my eye on for over a year waiting for it to come up for sale. Someone bought it out from under me during the owner occupier period but doing some research I'm pretty sure this guy is not going to occupy it.

He already owns a home on which he signed a Homestead affidavit for a loan just one month prior to purchasing the HUD. I'm still watching it, him, and his other property for some solid evidence.

If I don't see anything concrete before the 60 day move in requirement I am going to hire a private investigator to gather evidence. Yes I am that pissed off at these people committing fraud and getting away with it. If I get evidence and HUD doesn't do anything about it (unfortunately they state specifically that they will not give you the status of your fraud complaint - how convenient) then I will consider suing him myself for consequential damages.

Post: Looking for Hard Money Lender for my first deal

Robert SteelePosted
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  • Lucas, TX
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@Hao Dinh I would listen to @James Miller

I never use a "real" hard money lender with their egregious interest rates and points.

Instead I get a commercial loan with a local bank. It works a lot like hard money.  You can take draws as you complete phases of your rehab. They can usually close in 10 days.

Try reaching out to Access Bank in Denton. 

Post: Are you prepping for the crash?

Robert SteelePosted
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  • Lucas, TX
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Originally posted by @Michael H.:
@Matthew McNeil my thought was it could be better to pay the 25k in taxes if house prices dropped significantly. I’m not going to chance it though.

 Just a small thing to keep in mind. If you don't do a 1031 you are getting all that mortgage principle pay down that you already paid tax on each year, tax free. Sometimes this is nothing, sometimes it can be a lot, depending on how long you held the mortgage and the term of course.

Personally, I've never done a 1031. I always pay the tax and take the cash. If I'm selling I'm usually not in the market to be buying.

Post: over 90 days of rental being vacant - any advice?

Robert SteelePosted
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  • Lucas, TX
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An associate of mine from California bought a nice SFR in north McKinney when comps were $2,100. They finally rented it out after a few months on market for $1,700. Why? Apparently a whole bunch of other Californian investors bought in the same neighborhood and all came on the market at the same time asking $2,100. Then they started a bidding war - down.

From anecdotal evidence I still think rents are falling here. A precursor to falling prices?

My advice, if your out of state - stay away. Ya'll saturating my market ya hear ;)