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All Forum Posts by: Wren Martin

Wren Martin has started 2 posts and replied 73 times.

Post: Real Estate Investing Meetup in Gilbert Arizona May 13 7-9pm

Wren MartinPosted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Chandler, AZ
  • Posts 74
  • Votes 67

Looking forward to re-connecting with everyone again tomorrow night!

Post: BREAKING NEWS: You’re not an idiot for using less leverage

Wren MartinPosted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Chandler, AZ
  • Posts 74
  • Votes 67

Maybe I'm biased, but I think you should follow the example of the HML/PML group and only leverage up to the % they would loan. This is no guarantee that the market cannot give back that far, but its a good buffer. Now, have we seen situations where Lenders have allowed their Borrowers to over-leverage and get in trouble? Yep, in a big way. But who was making those risky loans -the person with the money or a commissioned sales agent? And what was their motivation - get the money back or get a commission check? I think you're smart to have some cushion, 70% debt to value sounds about right to me.

Post: First Time Flippers Help

Wren MartinPosted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Chandler, AZ
  • Posts 74
  • Votes 67

@Anthony DeMichael there is no better time to invest in real estate than today. If you wait till you're 100% ready, you never will be. You will learn something new on every deal. 

When I started my flipping business with my Wife, we looked at 100 houses, made offers on 10, and bought 1. By the time we got to the one we purchased we had learned what a good deal looks like. The deal @Colby Hager is talking about that has some newbie cushion.  We also learned how to make an offer that a Seller would accept. You may not look at 100 houses to find your first good deal, but the act of actively searching intending to buy will help you find what you're looking for faster than study and research to get ready to buy.

I think there are several valuable lessons in @Mitch Smith post above. I recommend you read it repeatedly to dig out the nuggets of wisdom he provided. Looks like the perfect blueprint to a successful real estate investing career to me.

All the Best!

Post: I bought a house all cash no mortgage what’s the next step?

Wren MartinPosted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Chandler, AZ
  • Posts 74
  • Votes 67

@Shaniquea Fails you've received some brilliant advice in this thread and I agree with all of them. Another option to get into your next property might be to put it under contract and then go to a Lender and offer to cross collateralize both your properties for one loan.  It will increase the loan amount and make it more attractive to Lenders. Don't we all think two properties are better than one? How much "Cash Out" you can get in the current lending market is another question mark, but things won't stay like they are forever... they never do.

All the Best!

Post: Hard Money & Private Lenders, what do you seek?

Wren MartinPosted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Chandler, AZ
  • Posts 74
  • Votes 67

@Joanne Eriaku the first thing a Hard Money Lender (HML) and a Private Money Lender (PML) (lumping them together for now, but I'll get back to that in a minute) care about is the Return Of Their Money. The second is the Return On Their Money

In order of importance (at least for me):

  1. The Deal - We want to know What you're buying; Why you like it; What your exit plan is; and How long it will take. I will trust, but verify everything you tell me based on my experience and opinion. I want you to make a profit on every deal, so if I don't think it's a good deal for you, I will not do it no matter how excited about it you might be. I recommend you listen to your HML/PML. Most of them know what they're talking about or they wouldn't have the money to invest in your projects. They can see things you might not be thinking about... at least in the beginning. We want to you to use our money again and again, just like shampoo, rinse and repeat, and if you don't make a good profit on the first deal you will never want to do it again.
  2. The Borrower - I want to know your experience; Yes, REI education counts, but not as much as a completed project. When you've completed a project, you've proven to me you can persevere through all the challenges that came up along the way... and there will be many, many challenges. I want to know you'll finish the project and I won't have to take it over to get my money back (see what we care about the most above). Will we invest in a first time Flipper's project? Sure, this is a Deal first business, so if the Deal is good enough we will do it, but we might want to be a little more actively involved in the project to make sure it stays on track.
  3. Reserves - Can you service the debt, along with completing the rehab, staging the property, and marketing it for resale? For however long the project will take? Having a JOB outside of being a real estate investor helps. Hiring a Contractor helps. In fact, I require a local, licensed, bonded contractor submits an estimate on all rehab deals even if you will have your brother-in-law do the work for you. Its extra insurance for both of us... just in case. I'm looking for 3 months reserve - payments and draws; FYI, you will pay the contractor their draws out of your reserves and get reimbursed from the escrow funds, if I've put money up for the renovation.
  4. Credit - We check credit. Credit isn't necessarily a Deal killer, but it can affect rate/term. We want to know you make your payments and will pay us back (see what we care about the most above). The Deal and your Experience will trump Credit.

We need not see anything fancy, spreadsheets and power points are overkill. A phone call or email telling us about the Deal is good enough in the beginning.  A single sheet executive summary is about all I want to read that isn't a CDNA/Appraisal with Comps, Inspection Report or Contractor Estimate... Deal specific details.

We want you to be responsive. When we ask for a document or additional information, we want you to get it over to us quickly. Most of us have a list of documents we need on every deal, we'll send it to you in the beginning and expect you to work diligently to get us ALL the docs without us needing to ask for each item again and again.

We want you to have the Deal locked up, this means under contract. Time Kills Deals, we want you to have urgency to get it under contract. We want you to have urgency to get it rehabbed, listed, staged, and sold. We want you to have urgency to go find another Great Deal! We want you to be a SUCCESS!

@Brenden Mitchum makes some brilliant points above about the difference between HML's and his opinion of PML's. I feel like his description of a PML is more suited to what I think of as a Private Investor. That is somebody who has the money to do your Deal, but may not have the experience to understand that it is an excellent investment. This person needs a presentation to show them it's value. These people are all around you, and you should be developing relationships with them every day. You can and will provide them a wonderful service by putting their lazy money to work and getting them the true returns they wish their mutual funds could provide on a regular, repeatable basis.

When I think of an HML/PML, I think most of them come from the Real Estate Investor side of the business and over time, for various reasons, started lending their money out for other Investors to use on their projects. Each of us has distinct skill sets. Some are good at Attracting Great Deals and Great Buyers. Some are good at Attracting Money for Great Deals and Great Investors. Sometimes you find someone who is the complete package and is good at it all sides of this business (BiggerPockets is full of this last, rare breed). But even then, they probably don't do it all because they have a part of the business they enjoy the most and they will get somebody else to do the rest. 

It has been my experience that just by being a successful real estate investor, over time, you can easily end up with access to more capital than deals. Just wait and see, soon you will be at some non-industry event (birthday party, soccer game,...) and when asked what you do for a living, without thinking about it, you will say "I'm a real estate investor." And the person who just asked you what you do will reply - "Oh, I've always wanted to do that! I've got $xxx,xxx sitting in my (insert lazy money storage vault of your choice). Can you help me invest it in real estate?" And just like that, you have your first Private Investor in your real estate business. Add a few more, and you will start looking for other good Investors that can help you keep all this capital working. You just added a new role in your business... Private Money Lender.

@Joanne Eriaku you're on the right track and will have a wonderful career if you stick with it. Stay enthusiastic, stay positive, even when the sewer backs up, and you find an attic full of asbestos, and a basement full of mold.  It's worth it, I promise!

All the Best!

Post: Qualifying for a loan with no (or low) income

Wren MartinPosted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Chandler, AZ
  • Posts 74
  • Votes 67

@John Rankin even though you have the cash I think you should use a hard money or private lender for a couple of reasons.

Number 1, real estate is a relationship business. You want to build as many good relationships as you can and lenders can be invaluable for finding additional teammates when you need one. Remember they’ve invested their capital so they have a vested interest in your success.

Number 2, it doesn’t take long to run out of your own capital when your doing deals. Keep your powder dry for snatching up the quick home runs but use OPM for your day to day deals.

Unfortunately, using private money doesn’t help your credit rating; at least most of the time, I’m sure there are exceptions just like everything else.

And for some reason many conventional lenders don’t treat Flip income as real money (don’t ask cause I’ve never been able to figure this out - it’s green, I can buy a Diet Coke with it, its money!). The solution for this is setup your entity and pay yourself a salary, plus commission, plus bonus from your Flip profits and magically now you’ve made some credit worthy income.

All the Best!

Post: Investor backing out on my first deal due to pandemic..what now?

Wren MartinPosted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Chandler, AZ
  • Posts 74
  • Votes 67

@Victoria Jackson your first deal is always the most challenging and stressful.  Stay positive, look for solutions every time you run into a roadblock, and believe you can do it!  We're crossing our fingers for you.

Post: Private Lending/HML help

Wren MartinPosted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Chandler, AZ
  • Posts 74
  • Votes 67

@Izavion Joanes hard money/private money lenders look at the asset (your deal) and your experience before they look at your credit. See if you can find a Forum on BP focused on the area you want to invest in and connect with an experienced rehabber/flipper. You provide the DP or at least 10% and go on the loan as a guarantor with your good credit. Using your partners experience will help with the cost of the money. Your partner should also be a guarantor. After you’ve done a couple deals you won’t need the partner anymore but you might find you’ve become a good team and just keep working together on many more deals.

@Jim Salvatore I agree with @Lien Vuong an SBA 504 or 7a loan might be the best option. You can start the application now but the SBA has a temporary stay on all loans that aren’t the PPP till the end of June so you need to make sure your Seller is very patient... and SBA loans aren considered fast in normal times. Maybe you can get the Seller to carry you till you can qualify for the SBA.

Post: Refinancing a duplex during pandemic

Wren MartinPosted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Chandler, AZ
  • Posts 74
  • Votes 67

@Matt Roberts you can still do the refi, we’ve seen an increase in appetite from private money lenders who will now do 30 years. Don’t believe the sky is falling just because your mortgage officer can’t do it, that just means “He” can’t but somebody else can and will.