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All Forum Posts by: Will Lenz

Will Lenz has started 5 posts and replied 8 times.

Post: Second Fix and Flip!

Will Lenz
Posted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Stockton
  • Posts 8
  • Votes 8

Investment Info:

Single-family residence fix & flip investment.

Purchase price: $198,000
Cash invested: $70,000
Sale price: $340,000

Full rehab of the 2 bed, 1 bath house including a new kitchen, bath, refinishing the hardwood floors and other updates. I did much of the rehab along with my employees and my team of subcontractors in Stockton. Full time from purchase to sale was just under five months. Looking forward to starting the next one!

What made you interested in investing in this type of deal?

Property needed a lot of work and I enjoy restoring older homes. I also started a general construction company less than a year ago and gotta keep my team busy!

How did you find this deal and how did you negotiate it?

My friend who works at a small bank heard about a house they were trying to get rid of and got me in contact with his boss.

How did you finance this deal?

Private investor from purchase price and most of the rehab with a lending rate at 2 points about prime interest rate.

How did you add value to the deal?

Full home remodel and cleared violations with the city.

What was the outcome?

We sold for 10k more than planned and came in a tad underbudget. Let's call it a stand up double.

Lessons learned? Challenges?

Over-communciate with your subs/ contractor! I thought my drywall guy understood I wanted him to touch up a few areas I marked with blue tape after the home had been painted but he decided to reskim nearly the whole home a day before we were going to list it..

Did you work with any real estate professionals (agents, lenders, etc.) that you'd recommend to others?

Relator Zach Cantu of Stockton!

Post: Second Fix and Flip!

Will Lenz
Posted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Stockton
  • Posts 8
  • Votes 8

Investment Info:

Single-family residence fix & flip investment.

Purchase price: $198,000
Cash invested: $70,000
Sale price: $340,000

My wife and I purchased this home with the help of a private investor from a bank foreclosure. There were some code violations from a car hitting the house and other neglected maintenance that we inherited when we bought the property, although the bank paid off the fees up to the date of sale. After the violations were cleared, we continued on a full rehab of the 2 bed, 1 bath house including a new kitchen, bath, refinishing the hardwood floors and other updates. I did much of the rehab along with my employees and my team of subcontractors in Stockton. I worked with a great realtor and stager to get the home under contract in roughly two weeks and sold a month after. Full time from purchase to sale was just under five months. Looking forward to starting the next one!

What made you interested in investing in this type of deal?

Property needed a lot of work and I enjoy restoring older homes. I also started a general construction company less than a year ago and gotta keep my team busy!

How did you find this deal and how did you negotiate it?

My friend who works at a small bank heard about a house they were trying to get rid of and got me in contact with his boss.

How did you finance this deal?

Private investor from purchase price and most of the rehab with a lending rate at 2 points about prime interest rate.

How did you add value to the deal?

Full home remodel and cleared violations with the city.

What was the outcome?

We sold for 10k more than planned and came in a tad underbudget. Let's call it a stand up double.

Lessons learned? Challenges?

Over-communciate with your subs/ contractor! I thought my drywall guy understood I wanted him to touch up a few areas I marked with blue tape after the home had been painted but he decided to reskim nearly the whole home a day before we were going to list it..

Did you work with any real estate professionals (agents, lenders, etc.) that you'd recommend to others?

Relator Zach Cantu of Stockton!

Post: First flip goes great!

Will Lenz
Posted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Stockton
  • Posts 8
  • Votes 8
Quote from @Linda Weygant:
Quote from @Sean Kelly-Rand:

Fair point @Linda Weygant - It was my recollection that it was a much higher tax rate than the long-term capital gains. Also if I am not mistaken exactly how it's classified depends on your occupation and how you've held/classified the property. 


 The classification has little to do with your occupation or "how you've held it".  If you enter into a flip with a profit intent, then it's a business.  The IRS does not care if you're assembling sandwiches, computers or houses.  It's all the same business model to them and it's all taxed exactly the same - as ordinary income and subject to self employment tax.

I'll make you a deal.  You stop offering tax advice and I'll stay away from advising people on hard money.  Deal?

I know it's tempting to try to answer tax questions because - hey, we all pay taxes!  But that doesn't make a person an expert.  Understanding taxation includes understanding all the subtle nuances of a person's situation in order to be able to dive deep into the multiple if/then scenarios involved in taxation.

I appreciate the explanation! Yes I was under the impression the gains would be ordinary income and have taken that portion out of my earnings from the sale.

Post: First flip goes great!

Will Lenz
Posted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Stockton
  • Posts 8
  • Votes 8
Quote from @Kyle Spearin:

@Will Lenz I love that you pointed out the tax implications of flipping. I've only done live-in flips in Boston, so that's really great to know if I pursue a typical flip route.

Are you working on any new deals now?

Thanks for the input! We are working on a live in flip also but are considering holding onto it as a long term rental. Both options could work well, will see what happens closer to time. 
I have a few warm leads out there for a flip but am still plugging away on other construction projects. I am however ready to jump into another when it surfaces!  


Post: First flip goes great!

Will Lenz
Posted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Stockton
  • Posts 8
  • Votes 8

Thanks Eric! Yes I learned a lot and am on the lookout for the next one!

Post: First flip goes great!

Will Lenz
Posted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Stockton
  • Posts 8
  • Votes 8

Investment Info:

Single-family residence fix & flip investment.

Purchase price: $215,000
Cash invested: $50,000
Sale price: $349,999

My wife and I purchased the home from a friend whose dementia escalated quickly and she had to move out of the state suddenly to be near family. The house was a mess. I ran numbers using the BP calculator and saw potential in the home, hoping to profit 10% of the sale price.

I completed much of the rehab myself, but did sub out flooring, minisplit install, roof repair, and painting. Rehab was completed in three months and we had an offer at asking price we gratefully accepted.

What made you interested in investing in this type of deal?

There was a lot of potential hidden underneath 30 years of built up stuff in the home in a decent neighborhood. I also have been working for a GC to remodel other peoples kitchens and bathrooms and would ideally be my own boss/ run the project how I want. Through work I also have a good team of subs to call on.

How did you find this deal and how did you negotiate it?

The past owner was in our church choir with my wife. She had dementia and we negotiated with her sister. We first helped with light clean up, sent belongings to her and had an estate sale. When she mentioned needed to sell, we got our act together and wrote what we thought was our best offer. When she didn't accept the first offer I turned to reflection and prayer and decided we could cut out/ simplify some parts of the rehab and wrote a second offer at about 20k higher which she accepted.

How did you finance this deal?

Private loan from a family friend. They loaned 250k at 5.5% interest. Our rehab needed an additional 15k that we funded.

How did you add value to the deal?

Removing junk! So much garbage in the home and back yard. We had 6 dump trucks take away stuff the first day. Kitchen remodel also added a ton of value. Painting, new flooring, new minisplit, new base and just updating the 1950's home also were huge boosts.

What was the outcome?

Property sold for more roughly 15k more than originally planned! We had a full price offer after one day that we accepted. Even though the difference in sale price to purchase price + rehab was about 90k, after all closing costs, real estate fees and taxes profit was right around 40k.

Lessons learned? Challenges?

As it was my first flip I was unaware of how we would be taxed. We had a CA tax for ordinary income that was I was aware of but not exactly sure how it would work out. We chose to be taxed 12.3% of the gain instead of 3% of the the sale price that was pulled out in the closing. There is also a federal tax for short term gains that we have set aside that we believe will be at our standard tax rate (will find out in April of 2023).

Looking forward to our next one!

Did you work with any real estate professionals (agents, lenders, etc.) that you'd recommend to others?

Claire Guillen of Leaders Realty was great!

Post: First flip goes great!

Will Lenz
Posted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Stockton
  • Posts 8
  • Votes 8

Investment Info:

Single-family residence fix & flip investment.

Purchase price: $215,000
Cash invested: $50,000
Sale price: $349,999

My wife and I purchased the home from a friend whose dementia escalated quickly and she had to move out of the state suddenly to be near family. The house was a mess. I ran numbers using the BP calculator and saw potential in the home, hoping to profit 10% of the sale price.

I completed much of the rehab myself, but did sub out flooring, minisplit install, roof repair, and painting. Rehab was completed in just over three months and we had an offer at asking price we gratefully accepted.

What made you interested in investing in this type of deal?

There was a lot of potential hidden underneath 30 years of built up stuff in the home in a decent neighborhood. I also have been working for a GC to remodel other peoples kitchens and bathrooms and would ideally be my own boss/ run the project how I want. Through work I also have a good team of subs to call on.

How did you find this deal and how did you negotiate it?

The past owner was in our church choir with my wife. She had dementia and we negotiated with her sister. We first helped with light clean up, sent belongings to her and had an estate sale. When she mentioned needed to sell, we got our act together and wrote what we thought was our best offer. When she didn't accept the first offer I turned to reflection and prayer and decided we could cut out/ simplify some parts of the rehab and wrote a second offer at about 20k higher which she accepted.

How did you finance this deal?

Private loan from a family friend. They loaned 250k at 5.5% interest. Our rehab needed an additional 15k that we funded.

How did you add value to the deal?

Removing junk! So much garbage in the home and back yard. We had 6 dump trucks take away stuff the first day. Kitchen remodel also added a ton of value. Painting, new flooring, new minisplit, new base and just updating the 1950's home also were huge boosts.

What was the outcome?

Property sold for more roughly 15k more than originally planned! We had a full price offer after one day that we accepted. Even though the difference in sale price to purchase price + rehab was about 90k, after all closing costs, real estate fees and taxes profit was right around 40k.

Lessons learned? Challenges?

As it was my first flip I was unaware of how we would be taxed. We had a CA tax for ordinary income that was I was aware of but not exactly sure how it would work out. We chose to be taxed 12.3% of the gain instead of 3% of the the sale price that was pulled out in the closing. There is also a federal tax for short term gains that we have set aside that we believe will be at our standard tax rate (will find out in April of 2023).

Looking forward to our next one!

Did you work with any real estate professionals (agents, lenders, etc.) that you'd recommend to others?

Claire Guillen of Leaders Realty was great!

Post: Single family home on large lot with storage units and tiny home

Will Lenz
Posted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Stockton
  • Posts 8
  • Votes 8

Investment Info:

Single-family residence buy & hold investment.

Purchase price: $200,000
Cash invested: $80,000

On this site, I also own and rent a tiny house that I built in 2015. Additionally, there are four storage units ranging from 550-750 sq feet that are rented out as well.

What made you interested in investing in this type of deal?

We wanted a place to park our tiny home and start a large garden. This single family home was on a 3/4 acre lot that had plenty of room for us, plus a tenant who wanted to stay in the single family home.

How did you find this deal and how did you negotiate it?

Realtor.com. The house was listed as pending and we reached out and said we were interested if it fell through.

How did you finance this deal?

Half down and half loaned from family.

How did you add value to the deal?

Brought tiny home to site and built 400 sq foot deck around it.

Started urban farm on site

Single family residence - new roof, stucco repair, paint, new fascias, 300 feet of new fencing

What was the outcome?

Living in our tiny home onsite allowed our tenant to cover the mortgage while we aggressively saved up to buy the home we live in now.

Lessons learned? Challenges?

Don't share a mail box with a tenant, get a po box.
Keeping tenants can be great, but there will be resistance when you change things up. Know that it is your property and what you want/ say goes.