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All Forum Posts by: Account Closed

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Post: Essential Docs/contracts for a syndication

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No legal expert here but my understanding is that the literal sale of ownership units in an llc to an investor who's description in the OA is passive constitutes the sale of securities. Would talk to an attorney but my understanding is that if you know the people who are investing with you and they are all accredited then you can get away with just the investor questionnaire, operating agreement, and the subscription agreement. Can others verify? Is it the private placement memorandum and the reviews of the marketing materials that create the largest cost? 

Post: Brrrr in Albuquerque and surrounding area

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@Jon Paszkiewicz, I might be confused: Why does buying the two SFR's increase your starting cash pile? Are you assuming you will refi out more than your total cost?

Post: Brrrr in Albuquerque and surrounding area

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Of course not ask everyone. In Philly facebook groups are good for single family wholesale deals too, maybe see if there are any out there. 

Post: Brrrr in Albuquerque and surrounding area

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@Jon, yes I think an FHA on a 4 unit is a great plan. I would start now by trying to get on as many wholesaler and broker email lists as possible for deal flow, and possibly getting licensed to gain access to the MLS, at the very least for comp analysis. If it's listed online it's probably not a great deal. Good deals tend to come from your network, or direct from seller. Meet as many agents, wholesalers, and investors as you can. And don't focus on developing a "professional network". Focus on developing a network of friends, who happen to be RE professionals, and leverage introductions from other pros. That will take you farther, faster. The meetups mentioned earlier in the thread seem like great places to start. I'm also sure BP has many great threads about this.

Post: Brrrr in Albuquerque and surrounding area

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@Jon Paszkiewicz, I have been checking ABQ out for about a year now, and have spoken to a few brokers, lenders, etc, and run numbers but mostly on MF. 

I think basically the deal with ABQ is that there is very little growth and very little new inventory coming online, which means on the one hand you are protected from rising vacancy but on the other investment RE is expensive for what it is, as no new inventory comes online to push down prices. According to Berkadia a measly 249 units were added YOY with demand of 405 still exceeding new supply. I mean those are really really low numbers. But rents will keep growing! That class C building with the same tenant demographics in Dallas or Houston might be cheaper, but in ABQ it's pricing seems more robust due to less competition. 

For whatever it's worth I don't really see why SFR's would be the way to go in that city, unless like @David Torres you had a deal pipeline and flipped in conjunction. SFR from my perspective works best in a lot of post industrial towns - Chicago, Cleveland, Philadelphia, Baltimore - where rowhomes proliferated lending the stock an even greater level of standardization than most apartment building have internally along with a very low cost/unit and an outsized ARV on a refinance. The other great thing about those areas is that labor costs run high and regulatory climates are severe, bottlenecking development of new apartments and giving a unique value proposition to single families for rental conversion. ABQ may not be super easy to develop in due to national parks and reservations but its regulatory climate is much warmer (another good reason to buy there, although the whole Southwestern region is spoiled this way - no idea how good they have it). Besides that despite being an "old" city so much of ABQ was built post 1950's that there is less value to unlock through rehab as opposed to a town where the average age is 90-100 yrs old. Thin margins on rehab ARV, thin margins on rent, no unit standardization, larger lot sizes that are less tax advantageous, and frankly not enough people doing it to make an exit predictable and easy. I've spoken to quite a few people and no one seems to know anyone there with over 100 SFR's. On the east coast you can't not deal with people who have 300-400 plus SFR's and even here it's tricky to find a good buyer to unload a ~10+ unit package too. Who can you sell 20 single families to in ABQ? At what Cap can you sell them? My guess is the houses are in class C areas because they had to be, for ARV and cash flow purposes, but are unlikely to operate at a high enough Cap to justify a buyer not just moving on an APT building instead. You may not care about selling them, which is fine, but just know that going in. The other issue is low liquidity from debt providers in ABQ for that asset -- they want really stiff terms, have low lending limits. Meanwhile MF opens you up to national debt providers.

As far as BRRR goes I think it would be really great there. As I was saying competition is weaker there from new inventory, leading to more undifferentiated product than say Denver, or Dallas. So much of the stock looks simple and utilitarian. It seems like an easy enough place to create value merely by providing something "cool". MF has lots of potential as so much of it is distressed and apparently absentee owned. I would by 2 to 4 unit properties, BRRR them, keep it moving, and scale up.

As far as portfolio sales go, the hotter the market/asset class, the more of them you will see in general. 

Post: Jordan Capital Finance - Anybody have any experience?

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Originally posted by @Eddie T.:

@Account Closed Where are the properties located that you will place as collateral for the LOC I may know of a bank.

 They are in the Kensington section of Philadelphia Pa.

Post: Jordan Capital Finance - Anybody have any experience?

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Does anybody here have experience with Colony Capital? They offer a similar LOC but starting at $1,000,000. If anyone has used these guys I would love to know.

Thanks

Post: What is the Cheapest Real Estate You've Ever Purchased?

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25K shortsale in philadelphia. 3 bedrooom SFR, will probably rent for around 750-770. total cost of repairs i estimate at under 1,000 (still evicting the last tenant). last purchase price was 37,500 in 2005 and i'm expecting to refi out over 100% of what i put back in.

Post: Section 8 Bible

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Originally posted by @Bill Gulley:
Funny replies here.
I'd think it sounds more like a bunch of theoretical ideas than reality, made to write a book.
Pretty sure 100 properties will become an issue, from what was explained, buying with credit cards moving to leveraged loans as if there is no end is BS.
Every bank has loan limits to one borrower, every bank has limits to types of loans in portfolio. Loans are not just based on a borrower at an LTV and hardly do borrowers qualify for multiple loans without looking at experience, management, personal assets and having larger equity holdings as the number of loans increases.

The size of your lender will determine where their loan concentrations will be and it's not public knowledge, you won't know until you are told they can't help you on any more and suggest another lender. Doesn't matter how wealthy you are, you can hit ceilings under regulatory restrictions.

You may think you're getting a loan from XYZ bank, as they begin to hit ceilings they can farm out participated loans, sharing loans with other banks and you may never be aware of the arrangement. But that too will play on concentrations of the lead lender and affiliates.

BTW, the number of loans limitations are based on statistical default rates not dollar amounts. Small investors that use fannie-freddie, another clue as to the claim of hitting 300 being bogus is, that the down payment increases as you add more properties and loans. This is based on default experience of very large populations, it's not negotiable and changes from time to time as experiences change, it's a risk management issue that has little to do with a borrower.

These issues are federal, so if someone pops up claiming they have 300 single family loans at some small bank in portfolio or even a medium size bank (500M-B) at or around 75/80% LTV, they are probably full of it.

Author's literary license to embellish fictional writings, enjoy the entertainment. :)

idk about at 80% LTV but I do know people between 250-300 Properties who are at about 40% LTV portfolio wide.

I'm posting this article below for ONE reason and one reason only, and thats to illustrate that people can and do get this many loans at least in Philly. unfortunately there aren't any real sources talking about this kind of lending other than section 8 bible and this article, and the latter is only because this case is so infamous in philadelphia.

http://articles.philly.com/2013-05-17/news/39338491_1_slumlord-millionaire-landvest-coyle-sr

Post: Section 8 Bible

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Interesting things are coming up in this thread. I'm a part time investor in the philadelphia area and all of the banks they mention still exist and lend with the exception of republic first bank -they now no longer give loans on SFR's regardless of the number. I'm surprised to hear so many people question the loan practices in this book; Philly is absolutely FILLED with local banks that are portfolio lenders and by all appearances seem to thrive lending to people just like the section 8 guys. The loan numbers the banks have now are exactly what these guys talk about in the book, and where I am even the housing prices are the same. port richmond savings and toga-franklin even have the same loan officers. Its all still exactly the same. I'm posting this in 2014 btw, not 2005. many local guys have upwards of 50 properties and someone can have over 200 and still not be known by local agents working in their investment area. what i'm implying there is that people with 50-100 properties are not freaks of the Philly investment world. I know someone who just wrapped up a loan on 22 single family properties. Go into any blue collar neighborhood in this city and every little bank is a portfolio lender, you don't even have to call and ask. the only thing I'm hearing nowadays is that they want more liquidity and more un-leveraged assets than they maybe did before. as someone who's still a newbie and is just beginning to take out loans i have yet to figure it all out, but i do know lending cant have changed that much because i'm seeing it happen this way. christ come to think of it my accountant had 26 properties he let go of in his divorce. hope this is helpful.