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All Forum Posts by: William Burns

William Burns has started 3 posts and replied 8 times.

Post: Detroit Housing Commission Section 8 System

William Burns
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Quote from @Travis Biziorek:

I'd echo what Drew says.

While I don't have as much experience with DHC, I do have a few S8 tenants and definitely agree with his final thoughts... "If you're persistent, you can get things done, but it does take a lot of time."

That's definitely true. We just went through a rent increase on one of mine and I'm moving it over to a property manager and getting payments changed over has been a process. But it's tolerable if you stay on them and just expect that things take time.


 Thank you Travis. I have a more realistic mindset on what to expect now. 

Post: Detroit Housing Commission Section 8 System

William Burns
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Quote from @Drew Sygit:

@William Burns we've managed thousands of S8 leases in our 24 years in business.

The DHC has the most challenges, but it's NOT all their fault. 

Many S8 tenants are getting free rent money, yet don't take the time to understand the program and dump everything on their caseworkers and landlords!

A tenant doesn't qualify for a S8 voucher by making good financial and life decisions, so what quality of people do you think the system is dealing with?

The system is what's really broken:

1) S8 should have a time limit - get free housing to get your life in order and move on.

2) S8 should have strong requirements for taking care of the home taxpayers are paying the rent for. 
--- We haven't seen a S8 inspection report in over a decade that required a tenant to fix damages they obviously caused. The landlord is required to repair EVERYTHING!

3) It's been 5+ years since we've seen a S8 tenant lose their voucher for property damages, not paying their portion of the rent or utilities, or other lease violations (letting others move in with them).

It's our opinion that #2 & #3 above are caused by overworked caseworkers not having the time to process the extra required paperwork, so they take the path of least resistance.

4) S8 needs someone at the federal level to put more of the program online and streamline the process!
--- This includes requiring Housing Commissions to make better use of technology. EXAMPLE: a local HC has a single comcast email address for their entire office - mysteriously, they seem to be always losing emails and asking us to resend multiple times.

The good news is they finally increased their max rental amounts a few years ago, so they are now more competitive. 

If you're persistant, you can get things done, but it does take a lot of time.
Yet investors expect a PMC to do all this extra followup for free because they think the program is "gold".

We've always accepted S8 tenants and have no plans to stop.

It's a decent program if the investor understands the limitations and challenges.

Otherwise, it's "fool's gold".


 Drew I appreciate your well thought out response.

Post: Detroit Housing Commission Section 8 System

William Burns
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  • Michigan
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Hi BP Community,

Has anyone here had experience investing in Detroit with Section 8 tenants? Is the program really as problematic as it’s been portrayed? Any insights from your experience, whether positive or negative, would be greatly appreciated.

The attached link explains the current situation with the Detroit Housing Commission (DHC), highlighting that they are severely understaffed and have limited communication with both tenants and landlords. Some landlords report that it regularly takes around six months to start receiving direct deposits from the government. The article quotes: "The DHC regularly takes many months to initiate payments or approve rent increases and rarely responds to landlords’ messages." Additionally, some landlords are still waiting on over $5,000 in payments from the program.

This market is right in my backyard, and it seems like a good place to start, as I can afford to buy homes in the $65,000–$80,000 range and am familiar with the area. The numbers for investing in Detroit look promising, but I am hesitant to proceed with purchasing a property and accepting Section 8 tenants due to the long delays in rent payments.

There are many Section 8 voucher holders looking for homes, and many tenants have shared horror stories about their previous landlords. I want to be a part of this market because I know I can offer tenants a well-maintained, up-to-code home. However, the idea of running a rental business while waiting six months for payments especially with bills still coming in doesn’t seem sustainable.

Can anyone speak from experience in the current market? Was the risk worth the reward in your situation?

- Attached below is the same link in the header

https://outliermedia.org/detroit-section-8-housing-vouchers-...

Post: Non-Conventional Financing Fix & Flips

William Burns
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  • Michigan
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Quote from @Mike Klarman:

Is it in Detroit?


 Predominantly Detroit area in a specific zip code and certain neighborhoods in Pontiac.  

Post: Non-Conventional Financing Fix & Flips

William Burns
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  • Michigan
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I have been seeing more opportunities for fix and flips lately. When it comes to financing a flipper home it can be tough. Does anyone have a source for hardmoney or some type of house flipping loan they would recommend?

I have reached out to KIAVI and was denied from their process due to lack of credit history. Normal Conventional loans do not support these types of projects because of the conditions of the homes. 

I have enough capital to finance the upgrades needed & to put 20% down on these home. Also I would be able to comfortably pay a monthly "mortgage" for a 12 month loan as well, while the project is rolling. 

What are some of your recommendations for financing when you do not have 100% of the cash on hand for a deal? 

Post: Section 8 Rentals

William Burns
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Randy thank you very much for sharing that experience, it definitely helps to hear your story. 

The yearly inspections seem nice because you can apply for higher a rent amount with tenants from what I have read. 

Post: Section 8 Rentals

William Burns
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Quote from @Nathan Harden:

Section 8 in the D?! 

It's already tough enough over there, then throw in section 8....

Sometimes the juice isn't worth the squeeze.


 Thank you for the response. There are some good areas that I believe are on the up and up here in Detroit. Even with proper screening, you still see dealing with section 8 tenants as being an action not worth the effort?

Post: Section 8 Rentals

William Burns
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Hi bigger pockets team, I have been looking at getting into section 8 rentals for around a year now. This will be my first rental property, I currently do not know anyone that owns section 8 properties. My peers have lot of negative things about section 8 but they have no real experience to speak on.

I found a good property that will cashflow well & it currently has tenants occupying the home. I do not like this because I did not screen the tenant but on the positive side the tenant is already living in the home so it is cash flowing which is great. 

Can someone please share their story investing with section 8 tenants? Even is it is good or bad your knowledge is appreciated.