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All Forum Posts by: Bryanna Mendoza

Bryanna Mendoza has started 3 posts and replied 18 times.

Post: Spokane, WA - New House - Already Having Sewer Backup Problems!

Bryanna MendozaPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Spokane, WA
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 8

Thank you so much @Scott Ellis! Going down to the planning offices tomorrow.

Post: Spokane, WA - New House - Already Having Sewer Backup Problems!

Bryanna MendozaPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Spokane, WA
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 8

@Jay Hinrichs - Party sewer lines, never again! Worst party ever, haa... yea, I will definitely fork out the $150 for a camera scope on my next house. It probably would have been a deal breaker on this house if I had known about it prior to closing. I spent the majority of my cash on the down payment. If I had knowledge of what was to come, I would have at least asked for more of a reduction on the asking price for sure.

@Mark Kudlach jr. - Thank you so much for this advice! So many gold tips in your response! I do have an alarm installed on it, my boyfriend and I tested it by exposing it to water and it is plenty loud and lasts for 40 hours with a constant beep until you remove it from the moisture. The plumber that snaked my line along with one of the contractors who gave me a bid recommended the jetting. I'm gonna call around locally and look at prices for it. Sounds like it would be a solid temporary option. Thank you again for your feedback, it is very much appreciated!

Post: Spokane, WA - New House - Already Having Sewer Backup Problems!

Bryanna MendozaPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Spokane, WA
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 8

@Account Closed - What I have in the downstairs is a ProFlo PF93015 Sewage Pump System. The (these are all downstairs) washer, bathroom sink, toilet, and shower all drain into it from a single pipe that is underground. It is sealed, the lid can be removed by unscrewing all the bolts around it (about 8 of them). I'm not sure if I have an ease of access, but I will check into it. This house was built in 1926 and from 1926 until 1952, it was on it's own septic tank. According to city records, the city of Spokane made it connect to the public sewer system in 1952. Apparently the neighbors across the street didn't exist yet or the street itself didn't exist yet because why wouldn't they have gone that route? Who knows. I do feel like I have a little bit of ground here when it comes to non-disclosure from the flipper, Ron. My case wouldn't be based on the fact of, yes there are tree roots and the pipe is in terrible condition. It would be based on the fact that he was aware of this and didn't put it down on any of the title documents he signed. There was a yes box, a no box, and a N/A box. I can see if he checked the N/A boxes, grey area okay fine. But all those questions regarding sewer problems, he checked the no box. They held the house for 11 months, how could they not have known? And why would they just randomly snake it? Is that just a normal procedure for a flip? Plus, I called Kay, the prior renter and she said she told them almost everyday how often she snaked it and what a nightmare the sewer was on this house. So they knew exactly what was going on, but if I took it to small claims, I'm just afraid it would be a he said/she said situation. Because I have no strong physical evidence that would indicate he knew about the problem. Or do I? Ugh.

Post: Spokane, WA - New House - Already Having Sewer Backup Problems!

Bryanna MendozaPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Spokane, WA
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 8

Man, Biggerpockets is an amazing community! Thank you everybody for all the honest feedback!

@Steve Babiak  - When that back up happened, the sump pump's backflow valve prevented the ejected water from coming back into the tank so when that water ejected, it hit the wall of sludge in the main line (about waist high in the downstairs furnace room) and had no where else to go but up so it came thru the upstairs toilet and tub. I'll have to take a picture of the plumbing and all the pipes that come together in the downstairs. It'll be easier to explain if you see a picture of it.

@Sean OToole - Yea I agree with you. If I keep band-aiding it, it'll be a money pit for sure. Just the peace of mind of having my own line pays for itself.

@Denise Yonetani - Spokane is a great city, I really enjoy it here! Glad I could help! =]

@JD Martin - Thanks JD! Trying to stay positive and not overthink this has been challenging...haa. The sump pump is submerged in a pit underground in the downstairs and the black PVC pipe coming out of it connects into the main line sewer pipe (4 inch) that stands about waist high or approximately 3 feet from the downstairs floor. I'll post a picture later this week so you can see where everything ties in. Man, that would be great if the city took over the maintenance of it! I was thinking about going down to city hall this week and asking the people in charge of the city sewer a couple questions. Just to see where they stand and what kind of information they have about easements, etc.

@Davido Davido - Haa, yes sir! It's our peak season right now, soooo many packages to sort; 'tis the season! Holy crap, you dug all that dirt by hand?! That's dedication...lol...do you remember how deep you had to dig to reach the pipe? The spot where my 4 inch pipe ties into the 6 inch pipe is 8 feet, 10 inches down. At least that's what the plumber's metal detector looking tool was reading. If I tried to dig that all by hand...that's A LOT of dirt! The $500 price tag is enticing tho. I imagine that was what the pipe itself cost because you did all the labor. As for the RootX I was thinking about giving this a try, but how will I know it works? There's tons of great reviews, but how do I know it's sticking to the roots and not just washing away down the main city sewer line? It's worth a try either way I suppose. I don't have much to lose at this point.

Post: Spokane, WA - New House - Already Having Sewer Backup Problems!

Bryanna MendozaPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Spokane, WA
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 8

@Landon Eskew Thank you for being honest! This is actually a pretty good idea. I haven't yet spoken to the landlord yet, but according to PropertyRadar and all the county tax records, he owns 38 properties here in Spokane with all but 3 of them free and clear. One of those 3 properties is the neighboring house. He's got 23k left on the loan. Maybe I may have something to look into here.

The other house's landlord lives in Montana with about 101k left on the 115k loan. They might be harder to talk to, but worth a try.

Post: Spokane, WA - New House - Already Having Sewer Backup Problems!

Bryanna MendozaPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Spokane, WA
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 8

@Joel Owens - Man, if I could go back in time...haa. I will never buy a house again without putting a camera down the sewer lines of it first.

I had just a generic home inspector come do the inspection. We ended up putting 3 contingencies down that they eventually fixed: a recalled electrical panel that had multiple double taps, a service and cleaning of the furnace (which ended up not in running condition so they installed a furnace from another house to replace it), and an adjustment of the hot water limit switch due to it not being up to temperature (the shower faucet in the upstairs would be cranked all the way left and it would be luke warm, but the downstairs was scalding in that position).

I figured I would end up spending "x" amount of money getting to small claims just to have the case thrown out. That doesn't sound like a fun day...haa. I wish I would have had the chance to speak to the renter who was there before me, it may have steered me in a different direction.

I do have good credit, I'm above 750 now. I would have to wait until warmer temperatures (probably late March/early April) to get it done anyways because nobody I've talked to wants to do digging in single digit winter weather with a couple of inches of snow on the ground. They said frozen dirt is almost impossible to put back evenly and I would have to pay for the touchup on the yard in the spring if I wanted it. Fair enough, I'll be patient and wait. Probably end up snaking it at the beginning of February just to be safe. Ugh.

Post: Spokane, WA - New House - Already Having Sewer Backup Problems!

Bryanna MendozaPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Spokane, WA
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 8

I'll start from the beginning, because there are lots of little details I need to explain in order for you guys to fully understand the situation. (All names are substituted by fake ones for privacy reasons.)

In April 2016, I purchased my first house for $134,800 in Spokane, WA (primary residence) - yay, no more renting! A 3 BR/2BH (2 bedrooms upstairs with one full bathroom and one master bedroom downstairs with a .75 bathroom). My father was my real estate agent. The owners before me were house flippers who bought it for cheap ($40,000) in May 2015 and 11 months later had put enough work into it to make it a turnkey SFR. New stainless steel appliances, remodeled kitchen, remodeled bathrooms, new carpet/paint/vinyl windows/roof. Cosmetically solid and really nice; I wanted it the minute I saw it.

The first week after moving in, there was a knock on my door. Her name was Kay and she was the prior renter (for 10+ years apparently) who had lived there up until the house was bought by the flippers. After asking me if I was the current owner, the first sentence out of her mouth was - "I am so so so sorry you bought this house." I was confused. She said the house was in horrible shape the last few years she had been renting it and that the landlords were no help and didn't care to fix the issues anymore - mold on the downstairs walls, leaky roof, and constant sewer backups into the downstairs. I told her I had experienced none of these problems yet and invited her inside because she had yet to see what they had done to it. She was almost in tears when she was walking around. She loved the rehab, said it looked beautiful, but it was only a matter of time before the carpet downstairs would be ruined and I would be going thru hell with the sewer backups. (The downstairs was unfinished when she was living there and had no bathroom. Now it was finished with new carpet, a bathroom, and a sump pump.) She told me roughly every 2 months there was a mainline sewer backup and she would have to call a plumber to have it snaked and unclogged. Raw sewage would come out the laundry hookups downstairs when she did laundry and it would be all over the floor. GROSS! I told her thank you for the heads up and that I would keep an eye out for anything unusual.

About a month later (June 2016), I had Best Buy install a washer and dryer. (There were just hookups downstairs when I bought the house, no appliances.) We ran a test load and the water started coming up the downstairs shower. The sump pump had never turned on, so I assumed that was the problem. The flippers must not have installed it correctly or maybe the float inside it was not calibrated to the right spot or something. (I've only swung a hammer a handful of times in my life, so this is far from my forte.) I called the house flipper, Ron, and explained to him what was going on and he said he would have his plumbing guy come out in the morning to look at it. Morning comes and Jim (the plumbing guy) arrives and discovers that the problem is a huge paper towel wad clogged up in the pipe leading to the sump pump. Hence, the sump pump wasn't pumping because no water had gotten into the tank yet. Construction workers must have flushed the paper towels down the toilet during the remodel.

While Jim was still there, I brought up to him what Kay had told me, and if they were aware that there had been sewer issues with this house before. (On my title documents, all the boxes asking about knowledge of prior sewer/pipes/plumbing issues had been checked with a "no" by Ron.) Jim said they had fixed the problem by snaking the main line and then he showed me a picture on his phone of a huge root ball they found in the line. This thing was like 3 feet long! Seeing this made me feel better and kind of dismiss what Kay had told me earlier.

Well...on November 5th, 2016, my boyfriend was doing laundry downstairs and I was upstairs watching TV. (When we do a load of laundry, the washer will drain into the sump pump's tank, the tank will fill to a certain level, and then it will discharge all the water from that tank to the main line that leads outside to the city sewer.) All the sudden I hear the sump pump turn on, followed by a loud BOOM. Then I hear the upstairs toilet start gurgling and by the time I reached the bathroom, it was overflowing! The bath tub was also backing up, about a half an inch of gray water lined the bottom. I ran downstairs and the water from the upstairs toilet had seeped thru the wax seal and begun leaking into the downstairs. (Luckily, the furnace room is where it leaked down into and we have no carpet there, just cement slab.) My boyfriend turned the main water off and we immediately called a plumber.

The plumber came and told us there was a main line clog because the toilet AND the bathtub were backing up. That big BOOM was the sump pump trying to empty its tank into a wall of sludge. $370 later and the line is clear. The picture below (the furnace room in my downstairs) shows where he inserted the snake (125 feet deep) to remove the obstruction, which he says were tree roots preventing the flow of water to drain properly to the manhole located 200 feet from my property.


He also did a video inspection which is uploaded to Youtube (I can send you the link if you really want to watch it) that shows that the 4 inch clay/tile sewer pipe coming out of my house goes approximately 50 feet out and intersects at a "Y" into a 6 inch community sewer line that goes 150 more feet until it gets to the manhole in the street. I share the 6 inch line with the house directly to the west of me (#1) and with the house behind me to the northwest (#2). I drew a little picture so it's not too confusing.


In the video, it's obvious that the 4 inch line is in pretty bad shape - lots of grading issues and offsets with major healthy root growth. The clog itself was about 40 feet out in the 4 inch line. However, the 6 inch line doesn't look much better (you can see about 50 feet of it in the video). Tons of tree roots as well.

The plumber (and a handful of others I've spoken to) recommends replacing the 4 inch line because that's where the clog originated and because he can guarantee another backup happening in the future. I've gotten 3 excavation bids so far from contractors to get this done. They've all come in around $4,000. (Below are two of them, I don't have a copy of the 3rd quite yet.)


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So here's where I'm stuck. Say I pay the $4,000 to replace my 4 inch line and some day in the future, the 6 inch line has a clog. And it backs up raw sewage in my house again. I would have just wasted $4,000 and the problem isn't even fixed! I talked to the neighbors next to me (renters who have rented 11+ years there, but are moving out at the beginning of 2017) and they told me that their landlord pays $150 to have a plumber snake their line every 3 months. And occasionally a backup occurs in between those routine snakes. Now I'm even more discouraged to replace my 4 inch line!

I honestly don't know what to do next. I don't think I have any grounds to go after the flipper here for non-disclosure of a pre-existing issue he knew about because he can just say that this comes with buying a house with old pipes and that tree roots are a natural cause. (Even tho Kay said she had told his crew every day all about how often she was having problems with the sewer backing up when they were there flipping it.) I don't want to replace that 4 inch pipe if it's going to be a waste of $4,000, but I also don't feel right selling the house to another unsuspecting buyer like I was. I mean, they could probably come back on me for non-disclosure at this point, right? Especially now that I'm aware of a problem and the fact that there's a video of that problem on Youtube for public eyes to see. (I like the Karma gods and I'm not trying to piss them off anytime soon...haa.)

The right move would be to dig up and replace that community 6 inch line. And since the 6 inch line is a shared line between 3 houses, the correct solution would be a 33% split of the cost of a replacement pipe. And that would still be an eye sore of a number considering it's 150+ feet of pipe. And since both the houses that I share the line with are renters, I would have to be on the same page with both the landlords. Who's to say they want to cough up that money? House #1's landlord has been snaking every 3 months for 11 years tho! $150 quarterly = $600 a year x 11 years = $6,600!!!

One of the other options I thought about before realizing what it would cost me is laying a brand new pipe to connect to the manhole directly in front of my house. There's a manhole literally 20 feet from my front door. Why the city didn't connect to that in 1952 when they made the sewer system instead of connecting it to the manhole 200 feet to the north is beyond me. But I've been told (by these excavators I'm receiving bids from) that there is no "plug" in that pipe in front of my house so they would actually have to create a brand new one and pull multiple permits and lay new asphalt because the "plug" would be in the middle of the street, which would cost upwards of $12-15,000. YIKES!

The purpose of this post is to maybe get some advice from investors/flippers/home buyers who have been on one of the sides of this situation before. If you were in my shoes what would your next step be? My eventual plan for this property is to satisfy the 1 year on my conventional loan and move to another house, making this one into a rental. I currently am an Airbnb host (thank goodness I was the one in the house when the backup occurred) netting about $1,100 profit a month from reservations. If Spokane County doesn't enforce limits on the number of days a house can be reserved or put extra taxes on Airbnb in the future (which is highly optimistic thinking), I will continue using the short term rental platform considering I can hit market rent by utilizing only half the days in a given month. Pretty sweet.

Anyways, if you guys have any input or ideas, I would love to hear them. I'm really bummed about this whole thing, this being my first house and all, but I know it's not the end of the world and there's gotta be a way to solve this creatively. Sorry this is such a long post, thank you for sticking it out until the end! Cheers! =]

Post: Investor Friendly Closing Agents In Spokane, WA?

Bryanna MendozaPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Spokane, WA
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 8

Thanks Gerrit and David! This helps a bit. I would definitely choose the single excise tax rather than seeing it two times in a close. Ahhhh, Washington rules...haa.

Post: Investor Friendly Closing Agents In Spokane, WA?

Bryanna MendozaPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Spokane, WA
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 8

I was curious what title company, specifically in Spokane/Eastern WA is familiar with assignments/double closings...or what one you would use to wholesale and had a property under contract. I'm calling around and every company that I've called seems confused on what I'm talking about or claims it's illegal...which, obviously it's not. I don't have any properties under contract yet, just looking to build my team. Any suggestions? Thanks guys!

Post: Local Meet Up in Spokane Washington

Bryanna MendozaPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Spokane, WA
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 8

Stumbled upon this post and so glad I did! I'm a newbie in the real estate world trying to learn as much as I can. Awesome to see a meet up in my hometown! Excited for the next meeting, I will try hard to get that night off from work! Cheers, fellow Spokanites!

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