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All Forum Posts by: Walt Dockery

Walt Dockery has started 2 posts and replied 165 times.

Post: Tenant bidding war? need advice

Walt DockeryPosted
  • Investor
  • Winter Park, FL
  • Posts 171
  • Votes 165
Originally posted by @Ryan K.:

If they pre-pay last month's rent and a security deposit equal to another month's rent, I think they have strong incentive to not bail in 6 months.  Well, actually they said they probably would buy before the end of May, but would commit to signing a lease and paying thru May.  Like I said, we have a previous relationship as neighbors and tenant/landlord and its a tiny town...so "friends" as well.  I don't think they'd have any trouble paying even if they bought a $1M house somewhere else.

@Walt Dockery - you've got a good point about being under market.  That has usually been my approach, price it slightly under with a huge up front cost (first, last, security deposit), get a ton of applicants, select the best ones.  Below market rent keeps em there, huge $ up front shows they're probably not bums.  That said, I've also had 4 tenants in 5 years so maybe its not really keeping anyone there.

But my wife just emailed me back, and again said she thinks a 2-yr stability would be best.

Deliberately pricing below market makes no sense, esp where rent as a % of home value (per your first post) is already low.  P&I alone on a $700k house is close to $2900, people should be lining up to rent it at that price.  If house is clean and well maintained you’ll still have plenty of interest at market rent, you can still ask for first/last and deposit etc. 

Notice how virtually everyone in the thread has said 2yr lease has more cons than pros. 

Post: Tenant bidding war? need advice

Walt DockeryPosted
  • Investor
  • Winter Park, FL
  • Posts 171
  • Votes 165
Originally posted by @Ryan K.:

Great opinions, thanks to all.

My wife thinks we should go w the 2-yr lease because my stress levels always increase when I have to actually do work for this $$$.

$3500 over 10 mos is not peanuts and if you know these people take care of the place the cleaning/turnover costs should be minimal. 

Consider this - given you have a “bidding war” and the interest you have had in the unit, it’s reasonable to say that you have underpriced it.  Signing a 2yr lease is effectively locking in below market rates for 2 years. I would take the $2900/mo known quantity and plan to relist it at ~$2900/mo next summer, pending how the market is looking then of course.  If you’ve never had a problem filling it I don’t see why you are stressed about it, I actually sorta enjoy the marketing process. 

Post: Tenant bidding war? need advice

Walt DockeryPosted
  • Investor
  • Winter Park, FL
  • Posts 171
  • Votes 165
Originally posted by @Ryan K.:

Why do credit/background checks?  I did that on these people 2 years ago and it was spotless.  They supposedly bought the house from a motivated seller and are selling it to motivated buyer, more or less breaking even (so it appreciated at least 6% to cover broker commission is my guess).  If they were approved by a bank to buy an $850k home last year, now selling that home for a gain, I know them and have positive experiences and believe they have solid character, we were neighbors for a while, their young girls are very sweet (and occasionally very helpful with yard work) ...why would another background check be required?

Because things happen in 2 years and people are not always entirely truthful, for example people do sometimes sell houses for reasons other than to lock in a gain ;). 

Or, because it’s your standard operating procedure w/ no exceptions, take your pick.  

FWIW if they are motivated enough to offer to pay up for the 10 month lease they’re not gonna sweat a $40 background check. 

Do whatever you want, if it were me I’d require a credit and background check. 

Post: How to tell a prosective tenant they were not selected?

Walt DockeryPosted
  • Investor
  • Winter Park, FL
  • Posts 171
  • Votes 165

Simply saying you have selected another applicant and the property is no longer available is almost always the easiest reason IMO. 

Post: Tenant bidding war? need advice

Walt DockeryPosted
  • Investor
  • Winter Park, FL
  • Posts 171
  • Votes 165

i would go with former tenant, however I would still have them do a credit/background check (at their expense using something like SmartMove). 

The known quantity is always a plus (if previous experience with them was good).  I’d also plan to show before they move out to minimize vacancy. 

You should pay for the first service tech. 

Re the second service tech, it’s strange that the tenant called their own tech however it sounds to me like this is the more accurate diagnosis and if it was still hot I don’t really blame the tenant for calling his own. 

As a LL I think it’s important to have a Rolodex of GOOD service providers that can be trusted to avoid this happening. Had your first tech been able to correctly diagnose the problem the second call could have been avoided. 

yes you should file a police report. No, a police report does not take “hours and hours” to file. I’d also talk to my independent insurance agent about whether to file a claim, a call that would take maybe 5 minutes. 

If you steal from me, I will be following up. Internet dick measuring re the “value of my time” would not factor into this one iota. 

Post: Last Months Rent and Security Deposits

Walt DockeryPosted
  • Investor
  • Winter Park, FL
  • Posts 171
  • Votes 165

I collect first months rent, last months rent, and security deposit as move in costs.  I already have their last months rent.  I view collecting that up front as just as important as the security deposit, maybe even more so.  

Post: Should I keep my house as a rental property?

Walt DockeryPosted
  • Investor
  • Winter Park, FL
  • Posts 171
  • Votes 165

The operative question is, if you didn’t already own it would you buy it as a rental for ~$525k with the expectation of renting for ~$2500 less hoa of $114?  I don’t know your area, but I imagine something like another duplex would provide a better return.

Don’t fall into the trap of considering the ‘cost’ to be what you paid as opposed to the mkt value you could sell it for. IMO there’s generally a price point above which rentals don’t make a lot of sense, and IMO in most areas $525k is above that point. 

Originally posted by @Alfredo Diaz:

Thank you for the reply Matthew, much appreciated!

I'm sure most times you can find other reasons to decline a tenant, but provided both applicants meet all the qualifications, is it illegal to decline tenants for the reasons listed above?

As already pointed out you are not “declining” their application, you have decided to accept a different application. The only “reason” that matters is the unit is no longer available.