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All Forum Posts by: Jinglei Shen

Jinglei Shen has started 5 posts and replied 11 times.

Post: Appraisal comes back lower than asking, seller is not willing to return deposit

Jinglei Shen
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  • Investor
  • New jersey
  • Posts 12
  • Votes 13
For your clients who receive their money back after two years, does it mean the contract was active for 2 years, seller lock in that contract can not sell the property to any party during two years?
Quote from @Remington Lyman:
Quote from @Jinglei Shen:

I was in a contract for a duplex, the appraisal come back materially lower than asking price, 14% cheaper, the seller made my agent to challenge the appraisal by submitting a set of comps at and beyond asking price in the same area, we ask my lender to revalue, the revaluation result came back, same price as initial appraisal. The seller is not willing to lower the price, so I decide to walk out the deal. The seller is being difficult, first said only return half my deposit, now not willing to return whole deposit using me passing the inspection date as excuse, my agent is fighting for me and said to the seller it is about financing bank is not lending at the asking price, the contract has general terms about financing, it is a standard contract my agent offered, my agent told me he is going to call the title company, hopefully title to return my deposit.  It is my first out of state investing deal, Ohio is one of state does not need lawyer to review contract, so I have not hired a lawyer to review my contract. 

Any other investor has experience this before and what are the course of actions I can take to have my deposit back?

 What @Patrick Drury said is how I understand how it works. Some of my clients have received their money back after two years. If it's an agent, you can contact the broker and ask him to investigate.


Post: Appraisal comes back lower than asking, seller is not willing to return deposit

Jinglei Shen
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  • Investor
  • New jersey
  • Posts 12
  • Votes 13
My contract has a financing contingency which states that if financing is not obtained due to low appraisal, the contract is void and the EMD must be returned to the buyer.  

This deal was sourced off market by my real estate agent(recommended by bigger pocket),  seller uses a LLC to sign contract, I later found out online that LLC was owned by an real estate agent who seems to work for the same real estate broker as my agent, I don't know how well they know each other,  the mortgage broker I use is recommend by my real estate agent, the lender is a local bank in ohio. when I review my appraisal,  mortgage broker seems to know the seller ... 

one strange thing I notice is, but I am not sure if this is a standard practice in ohio
I found out my initial appraisal result and revaluation result through my real estate agent, not my mortgage broker. which seems strange to me at the time but I did not question myself hard thinking they are doing their best to close this deal quick.

When my agent called me to discuss the initial appraisal result, I told him to share the result with the seller, he said the seller already knew. He did not explain how seller knew, he did not admit he tell the seller before getting my permission or the mortgage broker share with the seller without having my consensus. 

the title company ignores my finance contingency, all they want is an agreement between seller and buyer stating who gets EMD.  as explained by a real estate agent in this post, it seems to be a  standard practice in ohio.

I have texted my mortgage broker, he is surprise that seller can hold on my EMD, he always thought EMD goes back to buyer if property does not appraise,

My mortgage broker is saying he is working with my real estate agent to having the seller sign release form.

My real estate agent gave me one call yesterday gave me a heads up the seller is being difficult using all kind of excuse such as inspection seems nothing to do with financing situation, he is trying his best to get my money back, he has not shared any comment from their broker.


Quote from @Chris Seveney:
Quote from @Jinglei Shen:

I was in a contract for a duplex, the appraisal come back materially lower than asking price, 14% cheaper, the seller made my agent to challenge the appraisal by submitting a set of comps at and beyond asking price in the same area, we ask my lender to revalue, the revaluation result came back, same price as initial appraisal. The seller is not willing to lower the price, so I decide to walk out the deal. The seller is being difficult, first said only return half my deposit, now not willing to return whole deposit using me passing the inspection date as excuse, my agent is fighting for me and said to the seller it is about financing bank is not lending at the asking price, the contract has general terms about financing, it is a standard contract my agent offered, my agent told me he is going to call the title company, hopefully title to return my deposit.  It is my first out of state investing deal, Ohio is one of state does not need lawyer to review contract, so I have not hired a lawyer to review my contract. 

Any other investor has experience this before and what are the course of actions I can take to have my deposit back?


 Did you have a financing contingency? What is their broker saying? Can you add more insight to the situation of how many people are involved


Post: Appraisal comes back lower than asking, seller is not willing to return deposit

Jinglei Shen
Posted
  • Investor
  • New jersey
  • Posts 12
  • Votes 13
Seller is a real estate agent, based in Ohio, he owns an LLC to flip house and invest in RE, this property is owned by this LLC. 

Quote from @Russell Brazil:
Quote from @Jinglei Shen:

Hi Sasha,

Thank you for your response. My agent has found the financing contingency states that if financing is not obtained due to a low appraisal, the contract is void, the EMD must be returned to the buyer. The title company replied that when a contract is cancelled, they do not assume anything for the same reason. what they need is a signed agreement between seller and buyer telling them who gets the EMD. if there is no agreement, they will continue to hold funds until there is a mutual signed agreement. Seller is not willing to sign the agreement, he is being very difficult now.

Your thought is appreciated.


Is this a FSBO or is the seller using an agent?


Post: Appraisal comes back lower than asking, seller is not willing to return deposit

Jinglei Shen
Posted
  • Investor
  • New jersey
  • Posts 12
  • Votes 13

Seller is a real estate agent, he owns a LLC to flip house and invest in real estate, the property is sold under name of LLC.

Post: Appraisal comes back lower than asking, seller is not willing to return deposit

Jinglei Shen
Posted
  • Investor
  • New jersey
  • Posts 12
  • Votes 13

Hi Sasha,

Thank you for your response. My agent has found the financing contingency states that if financing is not obtained due to a low appraisal, the contract is void, the EMD must be returned to the buyer. The title company replied that when a contract is cancelled, they do not assume anything for the same reason. what they need is a signed agreement between seller and buyer telling them who gets the EMD. if there is no agreement, they will continue to hold funds until there is a mutual signed agreement. Seller is not willing to sign the agreement, he is being very difficult now.

Your thought is appreciated.

Post: Appraisal comes back lower than asking, seller is not willing to return deposit

Jinglei Shen
Posted
  • Investor
  • New jersey
  • Posts 12
  • Votes 13

I was in a contract for a duplex, the appraisal come back materially lower than asking price, 14% cheaper, the seller made my agent to challenge the appraisal by submitting a set of comps at and beyond asking price in the same area, we ask my lender to revalue, the revaluation result came back, same price as initial appraisal. The seller is not willing to lower the price, so I decide to walk out the deal. The seller is being difficult, first said only return half my deposit, now not willing to return whole deposit using me passing the inspection date as excuse, my agent is fighting for me and said to the seller it is about financing bank is not lending at the asking price, the contract has general terms about financing, it is a standard contract my agent offered, my agent told me he is going to call the title company, hopefully title to return my deposit.  It is my first out of state investing deal, Ohio is one of state does not need lawyer to review contract, so I have not hired a lawyer to review my contract. 

Any other investor has experience this before and what are the course of actions I can take to have my deposit back?

Post: Insurance covers cash value on properties built prior to 1940

Jinglei Shen
Posted
  • Investor
  • New jersey
  • Posts 12
  • Votes 13

I am looking to purchase this investment duplex property which was built prior to 1940. All state said they cover cash value for properties built prior to 1940, drewlling comes out less than half of asking price. The insurance quote is $1476/year, deductible $2500, 300k liability. The agent said this is likely a market standard. Anyone who had a agent referral that deals with this type of old property can get me a better quote.   

Post: duplex, ohio, cash flow deal analysis

Jinglei Shen
Posted
  • Investor
  • New jersey
  • Posts 12
  • Votes 13
Quote from @Patrick Drury:

@Jinglei Shen
The insurance of $1,400 a year seems pretty high in my opinion. I would get some more insurance quotes. Usually, when I buy a duplex around that price range in Cleveland it's closer to $500 a unit annually or $1,000 a year. I would check with an insurance agent for an actual quote

I would like to make a few calls if you can share insurance agent contacts

Post: Does builder in Knoxville don't sell to investor

Jinglei Shen
Posted
  • Investor
  • New jersey
  • Posts 12
  • Votes 13

I was told by an agent Knoxville new build don't sell to investor because of limited inventory.  only small builder or home are not selling fast enough would consider sell to investor.

Anyone in Knoxville could verify this or comment or connect me with builder. 

Post: duplex, ohio, cash flow deal analysis

Jinglei Shen
Posted
  • Investor
  • New jersey
  • Posts 12
  • Votes 13

I am building my investment portfolio(duplex) in Ohio Cleveland, a few properties i have analyzed  with net cashflow  around $100 to $290 

here is one deal I am analyzing

Duplex generates $1590 income /month together,

purchase price $123,000

rate 7.5%, downpayment 25%

5% vacancy, 10% mgm fee, $1400/year insurance,10% capex, 5% maintenance,

COC is 8.73%

monthly net cash $277

this deal meets1% rule, bring in positive cash, my question is it in normal range in Ohio Cleveland market?