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All Forum Posts by: Vince DeCrow

Vince DeCrow has started 11 posts and replied 83 times.

Post: ​What Do I Do With $300k Post Tax?

Vince DeCrowPosted
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 94
  • Votes 86
Originally posted by @Ray Hernandez:

@Vince DeCrow Hey, Vince. Like Chris down below I'm a little biased towards multifamily. Besides limiting my downside risk with a diversified portfolio, what are the other main advantages of diversifying my portfolio? How are the returns?

With multifamily I can really focus on one thing and achieve some pretty good returns but to be fair that all comes down to my ability to find real opportunities.

Buy and hold multi-family investing could be a great strategy if executed properly, however the strategy doesn't have the proper risk/return profile for you to reach the income level that you are striving for in the time that you are trying to reach it with your intended investment amount. When you hold a diversified portfolio you are not only limiting your downside and volatility risk, you are also positioning yourself to capture non-systemic returns that occur in other real estate asset classes and investment strategies outside of buying and holding multi-family assets. 

Post: Thoughts on what to do with ~$150k

Vince DeCrowPosted
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 94
  • Votes 86
Originally posted by @Eddie C.:

@Vince DeCrow great point about the LLC pass through income vs. non-pass through. I didn't think about that but will add that to my analysis.

Has anyone considered the crowdfunding sites (ie. Realtymogul, Crowdstreet, etc)? Seems to be fairly straightforward and allows for both debt and equity stakes, with wide strategies (private/public commercial, fix and flips, residential, etc). Most require accredited investors, but many do not.

Thanks, just one factor to consider - although it's possible that even if your pass-through tax rate is lower than your personal tax rate it might be cancelled out by likely higher interest rates on new mortgages today then the mortgage rates you currently have.

In terms of crowdfunding sites, InvestorMint conducts third-party reviews on these and other similar sites that might be helpful for you.

https://investormint.com/?s=real+estate&submit=

Post: ​What Do I Do With $300k Post Tax?

Vince DeCrowPosted
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 94
  • Votes 86
Originally posted by @Ray Hernandez:

I have some money and I'm not sure what to do with it in re. Since I know this all depends on my goals and what I'm willing to do this is it (pls don't ridicule me for my goals lol):

⦁I want to be somewhat passive in the investment. I don't care if I can't be 100% passive. I'm fine putting in work but don't want to do any flipping. More like value add buy and hold or something

⦁Down the line I want to net at least $100k/mo

⦁I have all the time in the world

Now the second one has been making me face an issue for months. Obviously you can make money anywhere in re but with my goals I'm not sure where it'd be most effective to invest with my current goals. Honestly just like to hear some different opinions. That's what I love about BP; there's soooo many different ways to accomplish your goals. I'm just trying to find my way.

But for example, I don't want to buy and hold hundreds or thousands of sfh's to accomplish my goal. I want to do something that fits my goals and will be fastest way there. And I'm not thinking overnight or next year or anything like that. Like if it took 20 years to net that with sfh's but there's an option more suited for my goals that'll take 10. I hope that makes sense.

I've narrowed it down to buy and hold multifamily because of the scalability. Still, I'm wondering if there's anyone where I want to be and has any advice on what they would do if they had to restart with only $300k and had the same goals as I do. Or anyone at all who would just like to chime in.

Trust me, I know that much isn't nearly enough for my goals. It's just my starting point. I still wonder if multfamily would be my best option or perhaps even short term lending. I honestly have never researched anything on being a short term lender so I don't know how that is. 

Any thoughts would be appreciated

cheers

Ray,

I would not limit your strategy to a single approach or strategy, keep it diversified so that during market downturns you limit your downside risk.

A diversified real estate portfolio would contain residential, public commercial, and private commercial real estate. The portfolio should also contain equity, different types of debt, and be geographically diversified. There are plenty of real estate fund managers out there that can help give you diversification and would be great for you to partner with. Investing in these funds and would also help you accomplish your income goals while still being a passive investor.

I would partner with a fund manager that:

  • You can trust;
  • That provides transparency;
  • That also has equity in the same investment(s);
  • That has a proven track record of performance;
  • Can efficiently diversify your private commercial real estate allocation into different properties/regional markets to ultimately minimize your risk.

-Vince

Post: Thoughts on what to do with ~$150k

Vince DeCrowPosted
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 94
  • Votes 86
Originally posted by @Eddie C.:

Hello - just wanted to hear some opinions on what everyone would do right now with ~$150k. I've been looking for some buy and holds in the last year or so, but am having trouble finding something worthwhile. Two options I'm looking at are:

1) Payoff mortgage on 2 current rentals. One is currently a 30 year fixed at 4.25% and the other is a 15 year at 2.75%. Going this way would allow me to transfer the properties under a LLC (lowering risk, but minimal return - especially with the low interest rates).

2) Continue looking for multi-family properties while I leave the money in the market, investing in REITs and other Mutual Funds. 

I've been stuck in option 2 for the past few years, but am somewhat getting impatient/frustrated with not being able to find a good multi-family to invest in (would like something with a >9% CAP in a B class neighborhood).

Other notes: day job currently takes up a good amount of my time (so multiple smaller properties or any major rehabs are not preferred). Ultimate goal is to cash flow ~$15k to $20k a month in the next 10 to 15 years with rentals. Given that - what would you all do?

It sounds like you have the opportunity to build on your residential rentals and build out a nicely diversified portfolio. In terms of paying off the mortgages, I would recommend not doing this. Keeping the debt helps you take advantage of the leverage to enhance your return on equity invested in the homes. With that said, it sounds like you may have an opportunity cost of lower pass-through LLC income tax rates compared to your non-pass through income tax rates. It may be beneficial to conduct a break-even analysis of holding your current mortgages in tact versus refinancing the mortgages at today's market interest rates and transferring the ownership of your properties into an LLC to achieve potentially lower tax bills.

A diversified real estate portfolio would contain residential, public commercial, and private commercial real estate. Since you already have residential and REITs, I would look into passive, private commercial real estate investments. I think passive would be best for you because actively owning commercial real estate can be time consuming and it sounds like you don't have a lot of time to give. Another benefit of passive investing is that you can achieve passive cash flow with these investments, just like actively managing them. There are plenty of managers out there that would be great to partner with and would do all the work for you.

I would partner with a fund manager that:

  • You can trust;
  • That provides transparency;
  • That also has equity in the same investment(s);
  • That has a proven track record of performance;
  • Can efficiently diversify your private commercial real estate allocation into different properties/regional markets to ultimately minimize your risk.

The benefit of fund investing over taking part in deal-by-deal syndications is the ability to diversify across different properties and markets all within the same investment.

-Vince

Post: ​3 Ways We Have Achieved High Returns

Vince DeCrowPosted
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 94
  • Votes 86
Originally posted by @Donald Aleshire:

Great share. Thanks for the detail but easy to understand examples in each opportunity.

 Thanks Donald

Post: ​3 Ways We Have Achieved High Returns

Vince DeCrowPosted
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 94
  • Votes 86

Large private equity real estate firms often invest in trophy buildings, from the Willis Tower to the Cosmopolitan Hotel in Las Vegas. The commercial real estate investments that are often more lucrative than owning trophy buildings are less obvious and less visually attractive.

Certain smaller private equity real estate firms have the ability to identify investment opportunities that aren’t necessarily “brochure quality”, but offer “attention demanding” performance. Once these opportunities are identified, private equity firms unlock trapped value in the property through capital improvement plans that enhance the overall tenant experience, which, in turn, generate higher rents and ultimately increase investment returns.

This is known as a value-add strategy, and it involves strategic upgrades to a property’s physical condition, operations, and capital structure. By using these three strategies, the private equity funds run by the firm I work for have earned an average of 24 percent annual return for our investors since 2011.

Conduct Physical Upgrades

Well-designed renovations can help re-position a property to attract new tenants and boost rents. Often, office buildings need updates and renovations only to common areas and corridors, keeping tenants and their cash flow in place during renovations.

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For example, the private equity real estate firm that I am associated with conducted these types of physical upgrades on a class B office property in the hottest submarket of Dallas. Our investment fund, which is made up of a combination of individual investor equity and our principals’ co-invested equity, acquired this office property which was often overlooked by prospective tenants due to its need for a good facelift. In order to boost occupancy and command a rental rate increase, we refinished the building’s exteriors and renovated the common areas, lobby, and restrooms.

In apartment complexes, a new manager and an infusion of capital for renovations can make a huge positive impact on value. Upgrades to kitchens, bathrooms and common areas, as well as increasing resident services have all proven to be successful strategies in our past investments. For example, in a Chicago Class A mid-rise apartment property, we relocated and expanded the fitness center, improved the rooftop patio and reconfigured floor plans to add five new units to the property, adding more than $1 million in value to the building.

Get a Better Manager

Improving the management and marketing of commercial real estate offers another path to value and performance enhancement. When a property has rents that are lagging those of comparable properties, the property may by a viable candidate for improvements to maintenance and marketing efforts. Opportunities for operational value-adds are often caused by shifts in the property’s surrounding business climate, an owner that does not have adequate commercial real estate investment sophistication, or an owner that simply does not have the capital necessary to keep up with maintenance and marketing.

An example of this was our investment in Village Park at Palatine, a 1977 vintage, 448-unit apartment community in a high-quality suburb of Chicago. The former owners of the property had not adequately maintained the property and as a result of this the property managers were unable to successfully market the asset. This presented us the opportunity to give the asset a rebirth by purchasing the property at an attractive price and replacing the property management to re-brand the asset after conducting physical upgrades. Bringing in a new management team that had a better ability to market the asset utilizing its new image and brand, “The Clayson”, helped us to boost occupancy, increase rental rates. Improving occupancy and increasing rental rates will lead to significantly enhanced returns compared to those earned by prior ownership.

Restructure the Capital

Private equity real estate funds can also add value by stepping in when there is more than one owner of a property. If the partnering owner’s strategies diverge and one owner wants to invest elsewhere, or disagrees with changes to a business plan, a real estate fund is uniquely positioned to buy out one of the partners ownership in the property. This move is referred to as a recapitalization, or capital restructuring.

A recent example of this is when our company took over an ownership interest in the property from an insurance company. The other owner of the property wanted an equity partner to help them pursue more ambitious goals for the property and the insurance company wanted out. Our expertise in creating improved amenities and adding additional development to sites was a key factor in striking a deal for the recapitalization.

Private equity real estate funds also step in with timely capital investments when a commercial real estate investment is stabilizing its tenant base and new financing options are needed. An operator may need new capital, or investment, to renovate or re-purpose a building to make it more desirable and drive rents higher. New capital can also can help pay off debt to allow for new debt financing at more attractive terms. This is a strategy that my company has executed very successfully in a number of our investments.

Post: ​Public REITs or Private Real Estate Funds?

Vince DeCrowPosted
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 94
  • Votes 86

Commercial real estate investments can offer long-term returns that are both healthy and stable. More significantly, commercial real estate is an asset class that can decrease volatility and increase returns when its added to an investment portfolio made up of stocks and bonds.

Something I've found that is often overlooked by individuals making a commercial real estate allocation is that the specific type of commercial real estate investment that you choose can make have different impacts on your overall investment portfolio than others. A question that I frequently receive from prospective investors is, why invest in Origin's funds over of a publicly traded REIT?

Both products boast similar target returns, and public REITs have things going for them, such as:

  • A track record of double digit percentage annual returns;
  • Dividends that have increased over time; and
  • Liquidity.

With that said, when it comes to deciding between a publicly traded REIT and a private equity real estate fund to invest in, you should choose both.

They are different types of investments and both have their place in a diversified portfolio. There are several benefits of adding private real estate funds to your portfolio that may already include REITs.

1. Unlike public traded REITs, private equity real estate isn’t tied to stock market fluctuations.

While public REITs can be lucrative investments, they are highly correlated to the stock market. That means they can rise and fall based on what’s happening in the stock market, and their values can be impacted by events that have nothing to do with real estate fundamentals. Because of this, adding publicly traded REITs alone will not necessarily improve your portfolio’s risk-adjusted returns.

2. Publicly traded REITs achieve different investing goals than private real estate funds.

When evaluating a potential investment, it important to look at alpha and beta. Beta measures the volatility of a fund relative to the market by gauging how much the fund’s returns move up or down given the gains or losses of its benchmark market index. Alpha is the difference between a fund’s expected returns based on its beta and its actual returns.

Public REITs are a good example of the difference between alpha and beta.

With pubic REITs you are essentially buying beta, while a private equity real estate fund seeks to achieve alpha—and does with strategic business plans for properties and skilled asset managers. Origin’s goal is to outperform the market on a risk-adjusted basis and achieve returns well above the index. We focus on finding high quality, under performing commercial real estate properties that have solvable problems. Our philosophy is that this is the best way to protect the downside while maximizing the upside of each deal.

3. Publicly traded REITs are a volatile asset class

If the economy tanks, REITs can get hit hard. Since the year 2000, REITs “are second only to emerging-market stocks as the most volatile asset class”, according to the WSJ. Private equity real estate funds are significantly less volatile that public REITs. Thus, you can help to diversify and minimize the overall volatility of your portfolio by adding private equity real estate funds.

Post: How to tell if an investment is real or not?

Vince DeCrowPosted
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 94
  • Votes 86
Originally posted by @Joe LaGreca:

I got an email from Alexx Varga the other day, inviting me to invest in his company, NextGen Housing.  

"We've got a great opportunity for you where you can lend a minimum of

$10,000 at 15% interest and get your return in six months."

http://www.nextgenhousing.com/

He is local to me in San Diego, but I'm not sure how to tell if it is a sound investment opportunity? The ROI sounds quite good, but the website is only 1.5 years old and the more I look into it, the more I question things.

I'm just curious how you all vet your investment opportunities?  

Hi Joe - It sounds like they are going to pretty good lengths to attract capital. To me this is a sign of inexperience or un-proven returns, especially when coupled with the age of the website. If you are considering making passive real estate investments and need to vet your potential partners/operators I focus on a few main things to start:

  • Do you trust the operators?
  • Operator's experience?
  • Operator's historical returns?
  • Does the sponsor have a good level of skin in the game to prove that their interests are aligned with yours?
  • What level of risk are you taking on to achieve the returns

In addition to the responses from other Bigger Pocket's members in your discussion, Investormint has some good unbiased reviews of operators that you can partner with that have proven track records of solid returns.

-Vince

Post: How would you invest $200K/yr?

Vince DeCrowPosted
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 94
  • Votes 86
Originally posted by @Kenneth Lee:

Above/beyond what I'm putting away in 401k/IRA/529/taxable accounts, I want to invest $200K/year for the next 7 years. What would be effective ways to parlay that into a great passive income? How would you do it if you couldn't spend time to do flips/BRRRR or get heavily invested into the day-to-day?

Curious what sort of general strategies people would employ here?  Blow it all on one large MFH each year?  Acquire multiple SFHs?  Invest in syndications?

 Kenneth - In terms of great passive income from real estate, I would partner with a fund manager that:

  • You can trust 
  • That provides transparency
  • That has a proven track record of performance
  • Can efficiently diversify your real estate allocation to different properties/markets to ultimately minimize your risk

One benefit of fund investing over taking part in syndications is the ability to diversify across different properties and markets all within the same investment.

Originally posted by @Lane Kawaoka:

I think finding a good market but heck everything is over priced. I analyzed 400 properties last year and only 6 LOIs. I think the key is more about setting up shop in one area and going a mile deep and find the property with the distressed story. I’d buy a story as opposed to a property in a hot market because likely you were the “winning” bidder who paid way too much.

Thanks for the input, Lane. I couldn't agree more with a boots-on-the-ground acquisition approach to help find properties that can be bought with edge over their competitive sets. This is the acquisition approach that my company follows by having acquisition officers located full-time in the markets we invest in. 

-Vince