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All Forum Posts by: Viktor Zguro

Viktor Zguro has started 2 posts and replied 5 times.

I found a property for sale in West Hartford. It’s a 3 unit building with 3 bedrooms and 1 bath on each floor. Each unit is about 1500 sq f. The rents are strong and it’s a few streets away from the busy Farmington Ave. Owner is getting 1800/1850/1990 for the units and has been getting those rents for the past 3 years. Seller is asking 640k but it also includes a piece of land that’s zoned for a residential property. You can build a duplex on this land, but the seller says it doesn’t meet the requirements because it’s a bit narrow and you’d have to apply for a variance. Basically it doesn’t have much value to me at this point in time. I think she’s asking wayyy to much for the total package. The property taxes are 14k and the insurance is 300$ a month!!!! I’m from Worcester MA and I own a few multi families and our property tax and insurance is half that and we get about the same on rent, a bit more actually. Why are the property taxes so high in CT? I really like the Farmington Ave area where all the restaurants are, and the schools are rated really well…. But the taxes are just a killer. At 20% down/4% interest, it still cash flows like 7k a year, but those taxes eat away at another 7k of potential net profit yearly. That taxes realistically should be about half of what they are now. Is CT addressing this issue? I assume this deters many investors from CT and I can also assume that CT is 100% trying to change this because it’s going to drastically limit their growth. I’ve yet to see the unit in person…but I love the area, the schools are great, the average HHI is 100k+.. it’s a great area to have a rental, it’s just the tax that makes this risky. 

Is this deal worth it? Imo I don’t think I’d offer more than 550k. 640k is way to high considering the property taxes. 

Quote from @Lisa Kattenhorn:

Just curious if you plan to FHA it. I was told recently by multiple mortgage folks in RI that unless you go with an FHA loan, they are not accepting less than 25% down on a multi, even if owner occupied. I think this is totally nuts but they said it was becoming pretty universal. Have you found a lender doing less without an FHA? In terms of the deal, the rents sound reasonable. Even the less desirable areas of RI have gotten pretty pricey over the last year.

FHA allows 3.5% down. 25% down is for commercial deals. Could be your income/savings? I make 70k salary and have around 100k in savings. No debt and credit is 760+.
Quote from @Anthony Thompson:

@Viktor Zguro I haven't done a full analysis of the #s. The rents you mention sound reasonable in general. I'm assuming you looked at similar units on the market right now to confirm.

I'd be concerned that the lender is going to be OK with such a large seller credit back to you. I know a lot of lenders limit the amount of a seller concession/credit. If you're doing it "outside of closing" I guess that's fine, but realize you'll be signing documents at the closing attesting to the fact that you're not doing something like that. If you're not deliberately concealing it from the lender (which I would never recommend) then you may want to raise the question early in the process with your mortgage person to confirm that your credits aren't going to blow up your loan/deal.

(It's also possible that because your loan amount is going to be so high, the 28K still fits within the allowance; I don't deal with regular residential mortgages enough to know the exact allowed percentages right now but I know it frequently comes up as an issue.)

My other major question/concern would be whether it's actually a legal 4-unit property, particularly regarding the basement unit you mentioned. It's possible to have a legal basement unit, but usually basement units are not legal units so I'd strongly urge you to ask the building department (NOT tax assessor) the number of legal units on that property, if possible get a zoning certificate confirming that number, etc. Do that yourself - do not delegate it or just rely on what the agent(s) say, as they have a vested interest in allowing you to continue to believe it's a legal 4-unit regardless of whether that's truly the case.

In general, if it is 4 legal units, I guess I'd just be concerned about buying something with such high leverage. Just fully run the numbers and check your debt service coverage ratio (expected and realistic net operating income from the property divided by total annual mortgage payments). If rents fell 10%, will you still be cash flow positive (even if meager)? At this stage of the market I'm putting a lot more emphasis on debt service coverage ratio (a measure of risk) than cap rate or cash on cash return, at least in my own analyses.

Also, since this question frequently comes up with owner-occupied properties, even though you're going to live there I'd analyze all the units as if you're not going to live there so that you can look at it on an investment basis compared to other properties, rather than mixing in your own personal tax/financial situation into the property analysis. Plus, you may want to move out someday and it's good to know up front whether the property will be able to stand on its own as a good investment when that day comes.

After viewing the house a second time, I figured out the basement unit was not a legal 2 bedroom... its a legal 1 bedroom. Seeing it a second time, I just didn't like the house at all (too small and weird layout) ... I passed on the house. I've learned that I need to see a place 2 times before making a decision and that I need to bring someone with me to give a second opinion. I saw this house right after seeing a potential rehab project and this house looked amazing compared to that... that probably skewed my interest.

The credits were an outside part of the deal, it was not included in the loan documents. It was never mentioned to the lender. RE agent said he does this whenever he can to remain liquid and not tie up too much cash into the house. Not sure why credits back to the buyer would have anything to do with the lender? What a buyer and seller do outside of the loan terms is none of the banks business imo. Not sure if its illegal or not, but I honestly never even heard of this idea until the RE agent brought it up.

I'm having a hard time finding a solid investment property in Worcester MA, so I thought I'd check out RI, but I really don't like RI at all. Every place I've been to looks a lot like the "bad" areas of Worcester. From what I can see, the multi's on the market right now are landlords unloading on their property that they've never cared for/renovated. They're basically trying to pass on all the work to the buyer and still charge full market price for the house, it's insane.

Originally posted by @Luan Oliveira:

@Viktor Zguro 1500 for 3br seems reasonable pretty much anywhere in RI right now. I'd recommend at least a fresh coat of paint and maybe some LVP floors if the current ones aren't in great shape. Just remember, nice units attract good tenants.

As you are owner occupying, I'd probably recommend taking the third floor if you don't want to deal with noise issues. Especially with the older houses around here.

As far as those credits, if you can swing it, that's amazing. The 21K back in your pocket almost sounds too good to be true.

The 21k credit was my agents idea, super smart guy (owner has already agreed to either one of the options above, I just need to put my deposit down). I have a friend renting his 3 units in Woonsocket for 1300 each. If he can get 1300 in Woonsocket, I feel like my numbers are very conservative.

I'm currently negotiating an offer for a 4 unit home in Johnston RI. I've been working with a really smart agent and he recommended Johnston as one of the nicer areas in RI for multi family investing. All separate electric meters and gas, water is included. Currently there are 2 bedrooms in each unit. The first 2 units feature double parlor/living room, which can very easily be closed off and made into a third bedroom. The third floor has 2 bedrooms and an extra room (same size as both of the bedrooms) being used as a living room. I consider it a bedroom, so technically the third unit is 3 bedrooms. The 4th unit is in the basement and features an open concept kitchen/living room and has 2 bedrooms. Very solid house...needs absolutely nothing. You could just freshen the place up a bit with some new paint and carpets 

The units are currently occupied and they're paying about 1k per month in rent. From the research I've done the first 2 units should be able to collect at least $1500-$1650, the third floor can collect at least $1400-$1500, and the basement unit can get $1200-$1350. Like I said units are in really good condition and need absolutely nothing. Guy across the street is advertising his renovated units for $1750 (3 bed, 1 bath).

*One unit will be occupied by me*

The current deal(s) I have negotiated -

Purchase Price: $518k

Credits: $7k credit for closing costs (from owner)

Financing: 3.5% down ($18.1k down)

or

Purchase Price: $539k

Credits: $7k credit for closing costs (from owner) and $21k credit to my pocket (cashiers check).

Financing: 3.5% down ($18.9k down)

Essentially, I get my down payment back and have no skin in the game. Yes, I end up paying a bit more in interest over 30 years, but I can just refinance after year 1 bring my mortgage down. I'd rather have my cash back and use that to put into another property, instead of having it tied up in a home.

Looking for some insight from anyone that has property near North Providence and Johnston. I know Johnston approved a new Amazon Facility over the summer, will add at least 1500 jobs. What are you thoughts on the deal? What could I pull in for rent?