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All Forum Posts by: Venkateswaran Venkatasubramanian

Venkateswaran Venkatasubramanian has started 3 posts and replied 13 times.

Quote from @John Carbone:
Quote from @Venkateswaran Venkatasubramanian:

I am an investor who lives outside of Gatlinburg and I am keen to invest in the short-term rental (STR) market, specifically in luxury turnkey properties. New constructions are preferable as they should be easier for us to manage and stand out much better despite growing inventory/current competition. I have come to this forum in the hope of connecting with knowledgeable individuals and building my local team, consisting of a real estate agent and property management personnel. My primary areas of interest are:

  • 1. Locating the Best Property: I am looking for properties that are strategically located for easy access to key places and have stunning views. Accessible roads are also a priority. 
  • 2. Understanding Current Market Trends: I would like guidance on determining the right price that will ensure profitability and cash flow for 2023.
  • 3. Managing the Property: I am interested in learning about the best property management practices and any potential issues that may arise when managing an STR property in Gatlinburg. (For tax purposes we will manage the property in first year)

Our goal is to acquire a cabin that has all the desirable amenities, including at least five bedrooms, and we have allocated a budget of approximately 1.5 million dollars to make this investment possible. For the amazing folks in this forum, I greatly appreciate any insights you've around my above 3 points. I'm linking 3 airbnbs that I would love to emulate here for folks in the forum to understand what I'm talking about STR1, STR2, STR3

If you are an experienced real estate agent who owns and operates short-term rentals in the neighborhood, please do not hesitate to contact me. I believe we may be a good match and would be interested in discussing a potential partnership. In addition, I am seeking collaboration with exceptional property managers on this forum. My aim is to gain insight into the prevailing market trends and to explore potential partnerships beyond the first year. Initially, my plan is to self-manage the property to ensure we materially participate and claim tax benefits.

Little context about us : My wife and I work in the technology industry in Seattle and have a good income. We have already diversified into real estate by owning two long-term rental properties. At first, we plan to manage the STR property ourselves but may consider hiring a property management company in the future depending on how it goes. We are both very busy and do not see ourselves managing the property in the long term. I have been researching and learning about the STR market in Gatlinburg for the past 1-2 years by consuming information from various sources including this forum.

The reality of the situation is you will be severely overpaying in this market right now for what you are describing. the market has not fully priced in any decline in revenues, and the mega cabins are more vulnerable. For cabins so large they should be completely booked out for June and July already. I would 100 percent wait until January when we have 2023 full data set and just as people are dropping prices for STR rates right now, people will be dropping asking prices for cabins on mls, especially developers who need to sell. Even Warren buffet just said this weekend at a macro level, prepare to make less going forward. You may need to pay 1.5-2m for what your looking for here. If you have 10 mil in assets then go ahead.


 This is great point. I fully concur, my intent is to start now, form my team and continue to look until I understand the market more deeply and identify a good deal. 

Quote from @Matt Owens:

Agree with Michael. Looks like you’ve done a lot of your due diligence and have really specific targets. Good luck with your search and building your team! If you are ever looking at WA,ID,or MT markets, I have a property management company based in North Idaho and would love to connect. 


 Sure thing Matt. Thanks for your comment.

Quote from @Dylan Robinson:

@Venkateswaran Venkatasubramanian that first STR you linked is managed by my property management company, Haven Vacation Rentals. Definitely reach out to @Avery Carl to find a property and get started! When you decide to stop self managing my team would love to help with the long term management!




Hi Dylan, Thank you for getting in touch. I am interested in collaborating with you in the future. In the short term, I would appreciate your guidance regarding the appropriate areas to invest in and the correct price range that would result in a profitable venture for large cabins. Can I send you a DM ?

Quote from @Leslie Anne Morris:

I'd be happy to talk! I love the market, I have 12 STR there. I just did an STR cabin underwriting class a few nights ago and the replay is on my YouTube channel.

https://youtube.com/@leslieann...


 Thanks for reaching out Leslie, I'd love to chat with you to chat further. Sending you DM.

Quote from @Eric F.:

@Venkateswaran Venkatasubramanian

Great job narrowing down your search to exactly what you want. Those style cabins will be the ones generating income for the coming years as visitors to the smokies start being more selective with the cabins they rent. With all the recent Smokies bashing on these forums, the cabins that continue to book at high prices are the more modern designed ones with amenities.

Having said that, and looking at the cabins you linked to, you might need to adjust your budget if you want cabins in that class. In fact STR2 you linked is for sale if you want to buy it for a cool 2.4M. https://www.zillow.com/homedet...

I would guess the other 2 you linked are also valued in the mid 2M range. I am not suggesting you pay that price. I would have a difficult time cash flowing if I purchased that with a conventional mortgage. But everybody has their own story. Some are bringing more cash (or 1031 monies) to the table. Others just want a beautiful home that can cover it's own expenses. And yes, some are disillusioned.

Shameless plug: I am finishing up a modern cabin in the next few weeks, and I do have access to other new construction cabins if you are interested. DM if you want more info, or just want to chat about the market in general.

 

Eric, thank you for your reply. I am highly intrigued by any contemporary cabins that may be available. I would appreciate it if you could inform me about the ones you mentioned. I have sent you a direct message. Additionally, thank you for providing the link to the STR2 on Zillow. It appears that prices have reached an all-time high. Considering the current interest rates, I am curious about the appropriate price point that would ensure a feasible investment. Moreover, I am hoping to make a purchase that has room for appreciation, and not acquire something that is at the pinnacle of the market with significant risks involved. So curious to hear your thoughts. I did see bunch of 5b+ available in zillow for several weeks/months which also includes bunch of new construction ones. So I was hoping there is room for striking some good deals.

 

I am an investor who lives outside of Gatlinburg and I am keen to invest in the short-term rental (STR) market, specifically in luxury turnkey properties. New constructions are preferable as they should be easier for us to manage and stand out much better despite growing inventory/current competition. I have come to this forum in the hope of connecting with knowledgeable individuals and building my local team, consisting of a real estate agent and property management personnel. My primary areas of interest are:

  • 1. Locating the Best Property: I am looking for properties that are strategically located for easy access to key places and have stunning views. Accessible roads are also a priority. 
  • 2. Understanding Current Market Trends: I would like guidance on determining the right price that will ensure profitability and cash flow for 2023.
  • 3. Managing the Property: I am interested in learning about the best property management practices and any potential issues that may arise when managing an STR property in Gatlinburg. (For tax purposes we will manage the property in first year)

Our goal is to acquire a cabin that has all the desirable amenities, including at least five bedrooms, and we have allocated a budget of approximately 1.5 million dollars to make this investment possible. For the amazing folks in this forum, I greatly appreciate any insights you've around my above 3 points. I'm linking 3 airbnbs that I would love to emulate here for folks in the forum to understand what I'm talking about STR1, STR2, STR3

If you are an experienced real estate agent who owns and operates short-term rentals in the neighborhood, please do not hesitate to contact me. I believe we may be a good match and would be interested in discussing a potential partnership. In addition, I am seeking collaboration with exceptional property managers on this forum. My aim is to gain insight into the prevailing market trends and to explore potential partnerships beyond the first year. Initially, my plan is to self-manage the property to ensure we materially participate and claim tax benefits.

Little context about us : My wife and I work in the technology industry in Seattle and have a good income. We have already diversified into real estate by owning two long-term rental properties. At first, we plan to manage the STR property ourselves but may consider hiring a property management company in the future depending on how it goes. We are both very busy and do not see ourselves managing the property in the long term. I have been researching and learning about the STR market in Gatlinburg for the past 1-2 years by consuming information from various sources including this forum.


@Mike D'Arrigo Thanks for honest and great feedback, I was initially paying too much attention to the caprate and cash flow. Appreciate the suggestion for looking into midwest markets. What are the sources you consider to decide which market is best for long term returns and equity growth

Great points Samuel. Makes sense to plan for these issues. Thanks for sharing your insights.

@Nicholas L. Great points. I jumped at CT because it had best cashflow numbers and agree that it is too far and likely making trips to CT is something I'd rather not have to do. I'm certainly open to looking at markets 2-3 hours away and though i have cash reserve I'm certainly nervous like you said about making costly mistakes.

Thanks a lot everyone for taking the time to respond to me. This is the kind of insights that is not easily available and this is why I love this fabulous community. 

@Drew Sygit - Fantastic insights esp on the aspect of neighborhood and the entire dynamics that revolves around it. I realized that many agents don't take these factor into account (I assume genuine ignorance or that they just don't care and just want to get their commission by landing something soon). The post you linked gave a great perspective of the flipside and I'm glad I reached out to this community.  

@Samuel Eddinger Can you elaborate on this, "In Hartford proper, most underwriting does not have high enough vacancy and bad debt." Did you mean to say "has high vacancy and bad debt". 

So the learning for me is do not put in an offer before having a property manager reviewing the place and is happy with the condition (I'm not looking at BRRR projects so beyond inspection, property manager is a key stakeholder in the equation).

@William Collins Can you please share details on any virtual meet ups that you'd recommend?

@Nickolas Graham I'd love to chat more with you, do you have checklist of things that you consider when looking at a potential multifamily property. I assume you're looking at your local market and not OOS. 

Thanks again folks! Your unbiased opinions, genuine perspective and willingness to share your wisdom is what has made this community very special.