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All Forum Posts by: Vassilios Kovanis

Vassilios Kovanis has started 2 posts and replied 12 times.

Welcome to bigger pockets, the largest market place to sell bridges.

I hope some BP readers realize that a huge part of frequent posters on this forum are not genuine deal makers, but phonies with no track record only in the business to sell mentorship programs, seminars, books and bad investments to gullible newbies.

Do you really think real successful deal makers waste their time posting thousands of times on a forum essentially catering to first time investors?

Do you think successful RE entrepreneurs need to chase small time investors money, mentor newbies and write books about their winning strategies in an already over competitive / saturated market?

Real estate is plain simple and there is absolutely nothing you can’t learn reading

Good luck

Post: Anyone buying in France???

Vassilios KovanisPosted
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I have been studying global markets and investing internationally for RE companies for 10 years and know the french market quite well. 

The take away about France is as follow:

pros

- relative market stability

- stable currency (euro)

cons

- highest taxes to gdp in the world (capital gain taxes, transfer tax, income tax etc)

- extremely complex / opaque tax system and aggressive tax authorities 

- widespread corruption around high profile transactions and construction permits

- 3 months transaction close due to high regulation burden

- local authorities have first look right to purchase the property you have under contract. The deal must be reviewed by the city to be allowed to move forward

- currently highly overvalued market by all metrics, price to income etc

- low appreciation and returns compared to emerging EU member states and US

(most RE companies offer annual returns around 10% (minus high taxes) for high risk speculative investments)

- extreme anti landlord legislation

Basically, if you love France and want a secondary residence sure go ahead, but otherwise, given the number of attractive alternatives available at the moment, i don't see any valid reason to invest in France unless you are french and unable to invest elsewhere. Even for french tax payers, much better opportunities exist a couple of hours outside of France in the eurozone..

Post: Anyone investing in France?

Vassilios KovanisPosted
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Originally posted by @Jessica Sandoval:

Hi Alexander, nice to hear you would like to invest in France. Why did you move to France? For the moment I only own a single family house in Britanny but I am planning to buy a multi-family this coming year. I have been reading a lot about real estate and the specific characteristics of the French market especially about new laws that were introduced this year. Do you speak or can read French? I can recommend you a fantastic magazine "Capital Votre Argent" that released a special edition on "Investir dean l'immobilier" this summer 2019. I have prepared a summary that I can share with you. Here's my WhatApp number if you want to exchange further: (+852 540 25 815)...I live in HK. Would be a pleasure to discuss further! Cheers. 

Why would someone living in a fiscal paradise (HK) invest in the most tax hellish country (FR) on earth is beyond my understanding. When it comes to investing it is important to not involve emotions and look at the facts 

I look at the global markets on a daily basis and would invest all day in HK rather than France for the years to come

Post: Investing in France

Vassilios KovanisPosted
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I have been investing internationally for RE companies for 10 years across Europe and the US

My take away about France is as follow:

pros

- relative market stability for the past 20 years

- stable currency (€)

cons

- highest taxes to GDP in the world (capital gain taxes, transfer tax, income tax etc)

- extremely complex / opaque tax system

- widespread corruption around high profile transactions and construction permits 

- 3 months transaction close due to high regulation burden 

- local authorities have first look right to purchase the property you have under contract. The deal must be reviewed by the city to be allowed to move forward

- highly overvalued market by all metrics, price to income etc 

- low appreciation and returns compared to emerging EU member states and US

(most RE companies offer ridiculous returns around 10% (minus high taxes) for high risk speculative investments)

- extreme anti landlord legislation 

Basically, given the number of alternatives available at the moment, i don't see any valid reason to invest in France unless you are french and unable to invest elsewhere. Even for french tax payers, much better opportunities exist couples of hours outside of France in the eurozone...

Originally posted by @Mike Lambert:

@Juan Pardo

Your rationale for wanting a bank guarantee is totally legitimate but it doesn't make sense for a developer to give it to you in most places. And any transaction will work only it is a win-win.

A developer providing a bank guarantee is not standard in many countries, except maybe in some European countries.

It's useless in the US and Canada since the buyer only needs to advance 5% of the funds before delivery of the property. It might make sense for a developer to do it in Europe since it'd cost a developer less money to pay the bank for a bank guarantee than to pay the bank for a loan and so it's cheaper for him to use the buyers' monies.

No developer in an emerging market country will provide a bank guarantee and they are the ones asking for prepayments because they need them. This thread was about investing in Tulum, Mexico; not about investing in Spain or Portugal.

However, if you're able to negotiate a bank guarantee for a Mexican developer, please let me know because, if you're successful, I'll do it too! :-)

Completion guarantee secured by bonds are 99% off the time a requirement for LPs and lenders in the US, but the end buyer is not covered directly

In Europe developers must often deliver a completion guarantee to the buyer if the property is pre sold as payments are made in installments along the construction process. Usually 95% is paid during the construction and the remaining 5% at delivery. The advantage of this system is that it discourages speculative over development, reduces capital costs for the developer and free capital for more projects.  Usually a minimum of 60% must be pre-sold for the project to break ground, so very little leverage is used and the developer only commits about 3-5% of the equity 

I advise anyone interested interested in investing in Tulum to read this (long) article. There is definitely money to be made there but you better watch where and with who you invest because the rule of law seems kind of lose in the region

Originally posted by @Marisa R.:
Originally posted by @Matthew DeBrincat:
Originally posted by @Marisa R.:

Just thought I would provide an update on my thread and the progress 

As I have mentioned I have been playing in the Detroit market. 

Yes getting a lot of negativity from BP on this, but I am probably a sucker for punishment. Key is persistence and buying the right properties, at the right price.

I like to look at properties which have a higher owner occupier ratio than renters, this is one indicator but also pay attention to what is happening in terms of supply and demand.

To date I have purchased 10 SFH, all up including rehabs etc. at a cost of $417,000, this is now generating $95,400 gross income pa (22% gross return). Generating around 12% net income.

$7950 income per month gross/ $4000 net per month  (Detroit)

$10,000 net income (Atlanta)

I am all about increasing income, appreciation is a bonus.

So what is happening in this market at the moment, this will give you an insight, some figures.

https://www.michiganradio.org/...

Looks as though things are going pretty well! Always good to see an Aussie kicking ***.

I have always been interested in investing in the US market, especilly Detriot as far back as when the dollar was at parity, however being an undergrad student and tied up to a mortgage at the time meant I didn't have the spare cash at the time. Fast forward a number of years, I'm now living in the US and about to get a small lump sum from my employer so I am now beginning to look into buying here and Detroit is again the area that has my interest, especially given the volatility of the companies stock price.

How have you found investing here compared to Aus? What are some of the main differences that you have encountered? I get the impression that the chances of getting a shonky deal in the US is significantly higher than back hom.

Any advice for an Aussie trying to crack into the US market?

Keep up the good work!!

Thanks

Investing in US will have more challenges, however success will come down to networking and lots of research

In Oz was not only investing in my own State I was investing in any market that was rising

Timing is everything in my humble opinion

All the best

I scout the market nationally for commercial acquisitions and my observation is that at the moment the market is perfectly priced. Sure you can buy cash flow and even ride some modest appreciation in rust belt cities but these are not opportunities; returns only exists because these places are dying cities with poverty rates through the roof and largely negative demographics. 12% cash on cash for C properties in detroit are very unimpressive risk adjusted returns. If the economy tanks post covid in 2021 these cities could really suffer and trap the equity of many investors

I'm considering putting together a couple of commercial syndications deals in the next months and have a couple questions

Is it customary for NNN / fully stabilized deals to have a waterfall structure and what kind of fees are typically levied?

Since NNN deals are flat and passive is it common for the sponsor to take a promote? I can surely see an acquisition / disposition and maybe an asset management fee on these deals, but without value add component and active role in turning around the property a waterfall structure seems a bit over the top to me.

Originally posted by @Greg Dickerson:
Originally posted by @Vassilios Kovanis:

My partner and I have been doing well for the past 8 years developing and repositioning industrial properties using our own capital.

We are now considering scaling up by raising funds through 506 offerings, and studying the different ways to get our foot in the door

The biggest obstacle being our lack of investor relationships and track record as sponsors, we were thinking about syndicating existing, on going deals we currently manage in our portfolio, rather than committing to a large deal we could potentially fail to close.

The rational behind this is that a deal already under management with in place, favorable financing could present a lower risk profile for prospective investors and therefore may make a capital raise cheaper and easier. I realize that raising equity for smaller deals may prove costly and time consuming but it seems an acceptable price to pay to build investor relationships.

Can someone explain how this could work and if the whole thing makes sense?

 This is simply a "ReCap" or recapitalization play. This is a very common practice and a great strategy used by many of the more sophisticated sponsors. Investors like it since the model is proven and it removes the uncertainty of the deal and operator.

As for raising capital that is simply a process and system like anything else so you can and should use both strategies.

Thanks for the input; i looked up recapitalizations and that's exactly it.

I just read that lenders generally do not like recaps which might be a limiting factor 

While i agree that management fees charged to small owners are outrageous, if you have to self manage your property to turn a profit it is likely not the best investment. An investment should be profitable hands off otherwise it is a business, and in this case you should make significantly more per hour self managing your portfolio than what you make per hour at your day to day job. 

Since rentals are a generally a low margin / growth investment, self managing is a reasonable option for retirees or people with modest income who want to save some bucks, but i hardly see the benefit for someone running a successful business or having a high paying job. The majority of active businesses have way better margins than that