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All Forum Posts by: Vangie Gal

Vangie Gal has started 2 posts and replied 24 times.

Post: New Member Introduction from Southern California

Vangie GalPosted
  • Investor
  • Costa Mesa, CA
  • Posts 26
  • Votes 3

Hi Karen thanks for your interest and response. To answer some questions, first the land is free and clear. We are currently in the negotiation process, so as a rough estimate the land can potentially be sold anywhere between $120k- $180k per acre.

We had some engineering done many years back and had a tentative tract map created which changed our zoning from agricultural to its current R-1 & C-1 zoning. We didn’t proceed with that project due to the time of the real estate market collapse. Since then we sat on the property. The existing tentative tract map also did not utilize the highest and best use for the property, as a higher density would have been more desirable.

We’ve been approached with several proposals. One was to change the zoning to a higher density.

Estimated Costs:

Engineering Firm: $65,000.00

Architectural Firm: $60,000.00

Estimated special studies: $50,000.00

Consultant: $50,000.00

Basically to process the general plan amendment from the existing land use of the residential portion LMR R-1 to an HR R-3(highest and best use), or alternatively to an HMR R-2 if the HR R-3 is denied. Then keep the commercial as is.

One of my questions is… are these cost accurately priced to achieve this? What costs are missing if any? Is there a simpler way to accomplish this? We wouldn’t actually build/construct anything at that time, just seek city approvals for the zone change and an approved tract map.

If we achieve this zone change I believe we would be adding value to the land. At that point we could sell the residential portion at HR R-3 or HMR R-2 zoning to a multi-family developer. Then we could hold the commercial portion until after development of the residential R-2 or R-3 is complete or sell during. This is one of the exit strategies we have in mind.

If we joint venture, it would most likely be as a small equity investment in lieu of a 100% all cash deal (ie. 80% of the purchase price paid upfront and the other 20% would be held back by the buyer in exchange for equity in their project… simple math not actual numbers ($1,000,000 sales price, $800,000 paid to seller, $200,000 remains as investment capital to developer)

I don’t think the family would be comfortable with joint venturing through the entire build out unless they received something substantial upfront and a smaller percentage on the back end. Then there would be less risk on the table and a majority of the money out.

We want to look at all possibilities and assess the risk/reward before making a final decision.

The family members involved are older, so would tend to be more conservative. However the intent is also for the benefit of the heirs and we have a say as well.

Post: New Member Introduction from Southern California

Vangie GalPosted
  • Investor
  • Costa Mesa, CA
  • Posts 26
  • Votes 3

@Karen Margrave Thank you for your input! I have actually read a few of your previous posts on Bigger Pockets prior to joining the Community, You appear to be quite an authority on development so I really appreciate you reaching out! I'll give you a little bit of information to start. Wasn't sure if I should start a new thread but here we go:

My family owns a 20 acre parcel of land in the Kern County area. They are currently in the negotiations of either selling or joint venturing. We have been approached by a few different developers and investors who have made some offers on the property. Here are the short but sweet details:

5 of the acres are zoned commercial C-1

15 of the acres are zoned residential R-1

It is an "infill" location with SFR's built around it and a school and golf course nearby. The homes in the area range from the $240k to $380k which were built in the past 6-8 years. There are several options available and of course we would want to utilize the highest and best use. The city said it would support a multi-family project, so if we pursued that we would need to apply for a zone change for either the entire 20 acres or for the 15 already zoned residential LMR & R-1 to an HMR & R-2, or an HR & R-3.

So here are some options my family is considering:

1. Sell the Land outright as is.

2. Apply for a parcel map waiver and split the 5 acre commercial & 15 acre residential to 2 separate parcels. Sell the residential 15 acre parcel. Hold the 5 acre commercial parcel and sell at a later date.

3. Joint venture and develop. The family partners are split with this decision for obvious reasons. Some are more conservative than others.

4. Have a consultant process the zone change from it's existing LMR & R1 zoning to an HMR & R-2 or HR & R-3 zoning. Also process a partial map waiver 2 split the commercial and residential to two separate parcels. Then sell the land with the new zone change and retain or sell the commercial piece separately.

5. Process the zone change for the entire parcel to HMR & R-2 or HR & R-3.

So there are many detailed questions I have but I figured this is just a starting point to build upon. There's obviously a little more detail involved with this, but I would love to hear your thoughts so far.

Post: New Member Introduction from Southern California

Vangie GalPosted
  • Investor
  • Costa Mesa, CA
  • Posts 26
  • Votes 3

Thanks Tim! I'm excited to be here!

Post: New Member Introduction from Southern California

Vangie GalPosted
  • Investor
  • Costa Mesa, CA
  • Posts 26
  • Votes 3

Good Morning BP Community! I'm happy to finally take the plunge and become a member. I have been listening to some of the pod casts and reading many forum discussions before finally deciding to join. I am a registered nurse however my family is quite involved in real estate, owning investment porperties etc. I wanted to gain a stronger knowledge and help contribute to my family's real estate holdings, as I will become more engaged in the future.

I have some real estate knowledge though I am interested in learning more about the following topics:

1. Land Development Process- raw vacant land - entitlement process - zone changing - engineering - tentative tract maps to final construction (I understand there exist many steps in the process, would love to hear from the seasoned land developers and investors in the BP Community)

2. Leverage- Interested to find out members strategies

3. Joint Venture partnerships pros and cons

4. 1031 Exchanges

There is quite a bit of information on the site to address these topics and I have been reading through and learning. I decided to join to discuss specific topics/questions that I have. I will posted more detailed questions, but wanted to first introduce myself.

I look forward to interacting, learning, and networking with the BP Community!