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All Forum Posts by: Bree Long

Bree Long has started 1 posts and replied 4 times.

Post: Tennessee and the Carolinas

Bree LongPosted
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Quote from @Carlos Ptriawan:
Quote from @John Williams:

My market has a number of factors that make it recession-resistent. We've got a great balance of cash flow and appreciation, I recommend checking it out! 

https://www.clarksvilletned.com/


 Crossing from TN to AL and seeing different result :-) I still can't believe too that TN is rising almost like CA.

 What are you seeing in Alabama, @Carlos Ptriawan?

Post: Tennessee and the Carolinas

Bree LongPosted
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Quote from @Mark Munson:

Hi @Bree Long

      Cheap money certainly inflated everything rapidly, but we still have a massive scarcity of supply, which will prop up the current prices. The Southeast saw huge migration numbers too, which drove the lack of inventory even more. No one person has the crystal ball to tell you if a reset is coming, but I see no way a reset like 2008 could occur when supply is lacking badly. And what will happen when rates do come back down is more rapid appreciation in values again because there will be a larger amount of qualified buyers out there with the lower rates. We lend in TN and NC and are fairly active in those markets, so I think we are seeing a little cool off, but I'm not convinced a large reset is coming, but again, no one knows for certain. 


 Thanks, Mark. I agree; the fundamentals this time of around will likely not lead to a 35-40% drop in values like what we saw in 2008. I am in a position where I sort of have to buy now, and am trying to determine my best options given lack of supply, cooling rents and hight interest rates. There is definitely no crystal ball, only calculated risk and hoping for some luck! Appreciate the feedback.

Post: Tennessee and the Carolinas

Bree LongPosted
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Quote from @Pat Lulewicz:

A lot of OOS investors, who recognize investment property as a passive play and retirement vehicle (important distinction), not a vehicle to replace their current job or income level, are not banking off appreciation. Yes - it is incorporated in their underwriting but that's moreso on a market level than a property level. They choose Raleigh, Charlotte, etc (in NC) because it isn't going anywhere. We aren't going through an oil boom and they'll be left with a vacant house in a decade. People will need to rent and their investment property will stay rented. If you are holding for 10-30+ years, why is a "reset coming next year" something that would push you away from real estate investing in either state? You won't need to monetize that home for over a decade, or more.

As far as rentals, CoC, etc, etc....remember that equity paydown and tax benefits are paramount to investing and can usually have as much of an impact on your financial position as the cash flow. They just aren't sexy and talked about. In addition, that appreciation you've referenced has also significantly elevated rental rates and we have not reversed from that mark yet. Continued growth and appreciation of home values will continue to keep rental rates healthy. My perspective: if you cash flow now (current rent and current int rate), you will cash flow in the future (lower rates - hopefully - and higher rent rates).

The standard argument is 5% in a money market. Sure...less after interest tax on your 1040...You also can't shelter it from taxes with depreciation. That number probably won't last for the next decade so you'll be back to square 1 in a few years when that RoR goes back down to 1%-2%. + Equity paydown. Its the trade off of short-term trickle of returns vs long-term cumulative, dependable benefits.


 I hear you, thanks, Pat. All makes sense but you sort of nailed the issue for me, which is personal uncertainty about life circumstances/not wanting to be locked in to a property that will take me ten years to gain its acquired value back if the market corrects and I need to get my cash out. Certainly the tax advantages are a huge consideration and I am trying to assess those benefits against, let's say a 15% loss of value. I have also serviced the real estate industry for 20+ years and this will be my third cycle and I have seen super smart people get obliterated. For that reason, I don't want to manage from a distance, so trying to determine the best place to invest AND live. thanks for your insights. 

Post: Tennessee and the Carolinas

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Hey all, I am a broker in CA and life circumstances brought me to Tennessee and North Carolina this year. I am looking for house hacks and multifamily and I'm having a really hard time wrapping my head around the fact that nearly all of the properties I am looking at were sold in or around 2021 for 100% less than what they are being listed for today (i.e. it was sold for $150k in 2021 and now it's listed at $300k in just 24 months time). I know it's been a wild few years, but in my experience, this type of astronomical appreciation in 24-36 months just does not stick, and so many of these properties are counting on inflated short-term rental lease income to make them cash flow. I fear the short term lease market may be shifting as well.  I know we are low on inventory, but I fear a reset coming next year.... what is the general sentiment for others looking in these hot areas that have been a draw for California investors like myself? It's easy to get starry eyed when comparing to CA prices, but the data just seems way out of whack to me.... would love some feedback from anyone doing deals in TN or the Carolinas... thanks!