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All Forum Posts by: Nicholas Miller

Nicholas Miller has started 18 posts and replied 171 times.

Post: Viewing 4-unit on Saturday -- What should I ask existing tenants?

Nicholas MillerPosted
  • Residential Real Estate Broker
  • Fort Wayne, IN
  • Posts 171
  • Votes 116

I have found that people generally don't like to give up a lot of valuable information about themselves however if you ask the right way you can learn a lot.  Rather than asking direct questions ask each tenant about the other tenants.

"tell me about your neighbors"

"are any of your neighbors noisy and obnoxious?"

"Do any of your neighbors do drugs/sell drugs?"

"Are there any of the other tenants who you just dont get allong with?  Why?"

Also, ask them about the current owners/manager...  Chances are good if the current owner is a dirt bag slum lord you will soon be seen as the dirt bag scum lord...  If they say good things behind the backs of their neighbors and the current owner than chances are good that the tenants are good people who get along with other people.

On a side note, I bought a 4-plex a couple of years ago...  Home inspection went well but the second day after closing the water heater exploded which caused water damage to two of the units, wasted a lot of water and obviously cost us the water heater.  You gotta love this line of work!  Still own the place but I have a management company take care of all the issues.  Tip of the hat @Adam Gerig 

land value is basically worthless, the only real value to this deal is the rent roll.

Post: ugly situation with the city! What would you do?

Nicholas MillerPosted
  • Residential Real Estate Broker
  • Fort Wayne, IN
  • Posts 171
  • Votes 116

@Andy Robison ~ I will keep that in mind...  However I think cash-flowing it would probably be a better bet.

Post: ugly situation with the city! What would you do?

Nicholas MillerPosted
  • Residential Real Estate Broker
  • Fort Wayne, IN
  • Posts 171
  • Votes 116
Originally posted by @Michaela G.:

Get your own appraiser that specializes in Eminent domain and other legal appraisals. he/she will spend much more time and effort and will come to the hearing. That's not your normal appraiser.

Some years ago I bought  a vacant lot and the city tried to take it. They offered 28K. I got an appraiser that spezialized in this stuff and at the hearing he blew the city's appraiser away. They are not used to people fighting back. It was so worth the 3K for this appraiser.

Also, they want the property empty, so that the evaluation will come in lower, so, I would not go for that. Put up 'for rent' signs outside the building, which will give them notice that you're not taking their offer, and if they talk eminent domain, let them know that you're going to fight back. 

Don't let them intimidate you by saying that 50K is the max they'll pay, regardless of appraisal. As far as I know, they're required to pay fair market value for the property, when they try to evoke eminent domain. They're just trying to bully you. Don't let them!

-- They will want the property before it comes to an ED situation for exactly the reasons you stated.  I like the idea of fighting with a private appraiser if the ED ever comes to fruition.  Good information there, thank you.

Post: ugly situation with the city! What would you do?

Nicholas MillerPosted
  • Residential Real Estate Broker
  • Fort Wayne, IN
  • Posts 171
  • Votes 116
Originally posted by @Karen Margrave:

What you need to do is talk to an attorney, which can suck up a lot of money fast. Taking a hardnose tact isn't going to result in anything good coming from the City. Your best bet is in trying to work with them to come to some kind of agreement where you get your money back out of the building and not lose everything. More than likely, with eminent domain, the City will end up with your building, the only question is whether or not you get paid anything. 

Here's my question to you. When you bought the property, did you not know that it was in an area that was falling apart, and the City was planning to do redevelopment? What were you planning long term with the property? 

With Eminent Domain the city will be forced by federal law to pay a fair price for the property which would be much higher than $50,000 so going that route would be preferable to the current negotiation.  Im just curious if being a little more aggressive will bring about more favorable negotiation than I am currently experiencing.

Post: ugly situation with the city! What would you do?

Nicholas MillerPosted
  • Residential Real Estate Broker
  • Fort Wayne, IN
  • Posts 171
  • Votes 116

@Richard C. 

 the city capped the price they would pay at $50k regardless of appraisal.  City law requires two appraisals that is why they are in the contract. so if the building appraises for $200k they will negotiate...  but I dont know how high they would go.

Post: ugly situation with the city! What would you do?

Nicholas MillerPosted
  • Residential Real Estate Broker
  • Fort Wayne, IN
  • Posts 171
  • Votes 116

This is a long and painful story so I am going to do my best to summarize the situation. 

The city is being mean to me.  What should I do?

Here is the list of ideas I came up with:

1. City wants to demolish the building and they know they can use eminent domain if they need to. Up to this point I have kept all contracts with tenants short as an incentive for the city to buy... Should I write all new contracts with residents at 24 months and negotiate all contracts with business at 99 years? Theory being the city will be required to relocate and this will add tens of thousands to their cost.

2. City is marketing their lot to developers and again they will use eminent domain to take my building if they find a buyer... I could "list" my structure for $2 million (it would never ever ever ever appraise for that) to chase off any prospects the city might have in mind?

3. Do nothing and hopefully avoid adding fuel to the flame

4. Make the building an eyesore because it really will not negatively effect my rents but it will effect the appeal of downtown.

5. Use the building as a billboard.... Use eye sore marketing tactics 

(thats me and my work van... You might be surprised but its actually gotten me really good leads and listings...  Yes, that is real duct tape. Legally I could build a billboard using duct tape for the text and yes it would tick off the city.)

A slightly longer version of the story...  It will help put the above summery into context

The city wants to demolish the entire block of a building that I own... I picked the building up right ($32,500 at auction) a couple of years ago and took it from a money pit and made it into a money maker (net income $2,300 a month with room to add another $400 +).

The city bought the neighboring building for $165,000 and put $79,000 into demolishing it unfortunately the demolition created a lot of potential liability that would be my responsibility. I did not like this and I asked the council to make a plan and put $10,000 into escrow in case this potential liability became reality. They voted "no" which forced me to drop a rehab I had taking that project from an estimated $10,000 money maker to a small loss but this allowed me to have my contingency fund.

Video of the demo...  Its kinda artistic but not very good and not really informative.

The city also has low interest funds & grants to address commercial structures so I asked for funds to address my structure once demolition of the adjoined structure was complete to which they voted "no".

I couldn't understand why they were being so difficult to work with till I had an... emotional conversation with the mayor at which time he said the city might be interested in buying my structure. Im thinking they just spent $165,000 on a building that should have been condemned and I have a money maker so I should walk away with a nice paycheck.

They asked me to keep as many units vacant as possible and asked that I keep all leases short as they want the building empty. A few months go by the demo happens on the neighboring structure... the contractor puts the upper arm of his backhoe through the second floor of my building creating a 4 ft by 2ft hole with debris crushing a baby bed...

Baby was not in bed at the time and the contractor wants to fix the hole... He is part of the good ol boys club in this small town so I am now seen as a villain because I want an insurance claim (and I got an insurance claim....  not going to lie, it worked out for me.)

Anyway, Im losing money ($1,125) due to vacancy Im holding because the city wants an empty building, they push me into a position to sell another project which costs $10,000 in opportunity costs, they villainize me and then I get the offer... "City to buy the building for no less than $20,000 and no more than $50,000" "two independent appraisals to be done with the seller to pay for one ($1,500ish) and the city to pay for the second"

If the appraisals come back higher than $50k we could go into negotiations.

What do I do with these people? They are being way to aggressive and they are using dirty tactics (voting "no" to everything I ask for then they sent the sheriff to my house because a tenant had put a couch by my buildings dumpster... Half a block away there is a house with 5ft tall grass, the horder that lives there has "stuff" overflowing from the porch onto the yard AND THEY SEND THE SHERIFF TO MY HOME BECAUSE OF A COUCH????)

photos of the trash right down the street

Anyway, I countered the city with terms they countered with a slightly worse contract than the first. My question is "what do I do?" I have really tried to work with these folks but everytime I give them a carrot they swing a stick at me... Is it time for me to change tactics and swing a stick back at them? Should I sell at a huge loss? Should I dig in and cash flow the property?  What would you do?  What should I do?

@George Sarianos the house is in a good rental area however flipping the property is not the ideal exit strategy.  On my way to the home there were several "auction" signs which I see as an indication that buyers in this area are primarily cash investors at rock bottom prices and not owner occupants.  The exit strategies I could see for the home would be a 

1. wholesale flip to my local REI once the trash is removed and the foundation is fixed (I don't like the margin),

2. long term hold as a rental at $630 a month

3. Fix the foundation, button up the outside and let it go to tax sale in 2 years and gamble on the overage.  Cost would be minimal and the return would not be calculable however considering it sold for $24,000 before that could be the highest return on investment if the price dropped to $1,000.

The video was shot with a Sony Action Cam...  $250, it lets me review properties once I am away, does great in low light and has great audio so taking notes on location is a breeze.

It was like walking though a time capsule only with mold and piles of what might be trash or could be treasure.  This home has not been lived in since 1985 and the owner wants $5k  to walk away.  I have good reason to believe the owner will take less but I am not sure what price I can justify for the risk.

3 Bed 1 Bath SFH 1,536 sq ft. ARV is difficult to calculate in this area but it will make a strong rental at $630 per month +/- 12%. Assessed value (is wrong) at $45,000 and taxes are $1,110 per year (I can get them lowered but it would take 12 to 18 months from the time of closing to go into effect)

Title is clean however there is a code violation for $350 against the property. 

The home will need foundation work

new plumbing

a new furnace

new water heater

new insulation 

massive cosmetics

I am worried about the water line coming into the house and the swer line going out of the house since it has been vacant for nearly 30 years and what surprises might be buried.  On a positive note the house went to tax sale a few years ago and received a bid of $24,000 however the bidder redeemed the taxes to keep the overage...  Great news for the owner....  However I am sure they would have preferred the cash rather than the $3k of taxes paid by someone else.

Here is a video of my walk-through

What are your thoughts?