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All Forum Posts by: Tyler Garza

Tyler Garza has started 4 posts and replied 35 times.

Post: Shoot Down My Beginner Strategy

Tyler GarzaPosted
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Quote from @Ryan Blake:

I agree with  @Shiloh Lundahl. Only tweak, find a lender that offers 100% LTC (loan to cost) or as close to 100% as possible. That will keep your out of pocket lower and your $70k would allow you to buy two properties. When you refinance, move into one of the properties and then rent out the other.

This may create a brief moment where you will need to live somewhere else. This is because Shiloh was right, hard money loans CANNOT be for a primary home, ever. If a lender tells you otherwise, I would really reconsider who you are working with. They would not be offering you a hard money loan (loan based on the hard asset) and instead they are lending to you as a traditional lender with private money. That would be a allowed but they should be doing more due diligence and requiring a lot more documentation than what an asset based lender would require. Know that if you want to do a cash out refinance on a primary home, it will likely need a full 12 months of seasoning (holding time) before you will be allowed to close. Your hard money fees may eat you up during that time. You may just want to do a traditional refi and take out a HELOC after a couple years as you continue to build equity.

Once you have your primary home refinanced, you should be fine. Get your personal home done first. Then do the second property with the other 1/2 of your $70k. You can always get a DSCR loan for the second property which is just an asset based long term loan (based on the rents or expected rents vs your income and personal ability to pay).


If the hard money loan is in a friend or family member's name would that be viable for us to stay in at that point?

Post: Shoot Down My Beginner Strategy

Tyler GarzaPosted
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Quote from @Shiloh Lundahl:

@Tyler Garza I can tell you what would probably be the most helpful thing, but most wives are not on board with it. I shared the concept with all of my friends, and not one of them did it. But this is what you do:

Get yourself on a bunch of wholesale lists and start looking at deals as they come to your email. Get familiar with price points in your market and what looks like a good deal. 

Start networking with other investors to increase your access to real estate deals.

Put your house on the market yourself on Zillow and Facebook marketplace and see if you can sell it yourself as a seller finance deal on what is called a wrap mortgage; especially if you have a low interest. Ask for a 70k payment and give them an interest rate that is 1 point higher than yours. For example, if your rate is 4% then give them a rate of 5%. They will be really happy because they can get into a house with a lower mortgage and you don't have to pay realtor fees. Because you don't use a realtor because most realtors have no idea what to wrap mortgage is. You can make the mortgage Have a balloon payment in 2 1/2 years so that you don't miss out on the IRS tax exemption rule of living in your primary home two of the last five years. Unless you're OK with paying taxes on the property eventually. Then you can just let it write out the whole length of your mortgage. You'll create cash flow every month and then at the end you'll get another bump of $40,000 or more depending on your loan amortization schedule.

With the 70k down payment buy a house from wholesaler with a hard money loan that is well below market value. Work with the hard money lender on the terms of the loan so you can get a 90% loan and the hard money lender will reimburse you for the rehab costs. 

You may need to have a family member or friend be the actual one on the hard money loan because there are stipulations with a lot of Hard Money Lender that they can't lend on a primary residence. If that is the case, then just have somebody else be on the loan with Hard Money Lender And then after you close on the property then add your name on title. You'll likely have to have your name on title for six months before you can refinance the property.

This way, your spouse can pick and choose the type of finishes that your spouse would like and then when you're done finishing the rehab in six months you can get the home refinanced and pay your family member or friend a couple thousand dollars for their willingness to be on the loan.  

When you refinance the property, you can likely get a lot of that $70,000 back If you bought the property well below market value. And possibly even more money back if you did some of the work yourselves.

So now you have a new home that you're living in that has probably 25% equity in it, you have a cash flowing seller financed property with no maintenance because you've sold it on seller financing and they're going to be taken care of the property because it is their property but yet you still benefit from cash flow because you are the bank. And you still have $70,000 to go buy a single-family home or multifamily home, and now that you're on a bunch of wholesale lists where you can source deals well under market value it is easier to find good deals. 


 One final question about your strategy and I appreciate all of your information, why use a wrap mortgage? Do I have to use one if I put the house on the market myself?

I am searching for my first real estate deal. I plan on using the brrrr method. 

My question is when it comes to analyzing properties that are below market value how can you predict what the market value will be after the rehab?

Additionally, what do you look for in a property to increase the value i.e. what are typical items to target? Tile? cabinets? paint?

Post: Shoot Down My Beginner Strategy

Tyler GarzaPosted
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Quote from @Corey Conklin:

@Tyler Garza

The biggest "hole" in your strategy is thinking that starting in real estate will retire your wife. You've been sold by podcasts/books/vlogs that real estate can make you rich over night and it's passive. It's just not the reality.

I don't know your wife's income so it's hard to know what you need to replace in order to let her retire but if you think you'll get her retired in the next year or 2....you will have a 99% chance of being let down.

Becoming financially free, or not needing a 2 income household comes down to 2 simple factors. Income and expenses, money in and money out. Say you both make $5,000/month for a total income of $10,000/month. You also have expenses that are $10,000/month, you have $0 left to invest, donate, enjoy (not good). You can find ways to make more money, or find expenses to cut if you want to make your goal come to fruition.

If you make $5,000 more per month, you can retire your wife. If you cut expenses down by $5,000/month, you can retire your wife. Or you can meet in the middle and increase income by $2,500 and decrease spending by $2,500.

Investing in real estate will not increase your income in the short term. Think 10+ years before you really see the fruits of your labor. Anyone telling you different is probably trying to sell you something.

If you don't have your expenses as low as possible and don't have much cash on hand that's what you need to focus on. 


 Hey, thank you for your response! I understand there is a significant time investment to build a real estate portfolio that provides any significant cash flow without a good bit of cash on hand to start. 

The way I am looking at real estate is as the foundation of my asset column with a focus of building wide and trading up over time. So starting out with single family, and small multi family and trading up 1 or 2 at a time into larger multi family. 

Post: Shoot Down My Beginner Strategy

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Quote from @Marcus Auerbach:
Quote from @Tyler Garza:

@Shiloh Lundahl  @Travis Timmons @Ryan Blake Look guys, anything and every bit information to me is helpful. I have spent a lot of time reading and re reading everything you all generously took the time to write here on my post.

Shiloh, all of your detailed information is awesome and led me down multiple paths of research and has given me much to consider. I like the idea of the wrap mortgage and the capital that it can make available. I don't know if I can sell my wife on moving into a fixer up but I assume the idea there is to repeat the process with the new house. Its a bold, kick the door in strategy and I like that. Definitely more I would need to learn in order to make it work. Key items to rehab on the second home to bring the property value up for the refi, determining which lenders/servicing companies will be favorable, Identifying good properties to invest in altogether. Ryan's concern with the seasoning period before being able to cash out refi is a definite snag point. Do you have prior experience to operating the rehab credit contingency to avoid the seasoning period?

Ryan, I appreciate your insight as well. Highlighting the seasoning period for a cash out refinance on the new primary I felt was an important nugget. I want to avoid being massacred by those fees if at all possible. Does Shiloh's rehab credit plan ring any bells to you? Is there any way to know if it would be an acceptable contingency to the lender before going through with the deal? Any move I go with I want to avoid living elsewhere if at all possible, If I can't how long would it be before I could live in the new house?

Travis, a good dose of reality is always needed. I appreciate your perspective as well. I don't intend to get into real estate investing or any investing for that matter with the "get rich quick" mentality. My plan is more so - I would like not not have to work a 9-5 by the time I am 42, my wife sooner if possible. I am 31 right now. Nor do I look at real estate as my only vehicle to be able to exit the rat race. I think it is important to increase my ability to provide cash flow outside of real estate. I have started 2 businesses to that end previously in my 20's; unfortunately neither of them worked out how I wanted for various reasons. I am still hoping to crack that egg before I turn 35. 


You are on the right track with adding a business for cash flow into your strategy. Starting a business is hard and most of them fail, so it's not you. But I am sure you have learned a lot from your first two attempts. 

The shortcut is buying a business that is already past the stage of child mortality. Lot's of boomers who are looking to retire.

The years of growing a real estate portfolio out of nothing are unfortunately over. Low inventory, higher rates and a LOT more investor competition have made it quite a bit harder. Most of the advice you get on BP is limited to the real estate sand box (duh.) - in 2025 your energy is better spent on a business than a duplex that cashflows $200 or less.


 Buying a business is something I am interested in. Do you have any experience with this or know of any good resources?

What about accumulating and trading up? I am leaning towards this as my strategy for real estate

Post: Shoot Down My Beginner Strategy

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Quote from @Dominic M.:

There's a 100 ways to skin a cat, are you looking to build a real estate business or buy 1 maybe 2 deals per year? 

In general - Are you looking to maximize returns (value add, higher risk) or are you looking for something rent ready (lower yield, lower risk)?

I think this will help to guide you down the right path. 

You always need to buy right and analyze the deal conservatively, account for all the fees and costs, capex, opex (PM, vacancy, reserves), and debt. 

For value add you need to buy deep, have reputable contractors, and understand different financing products + creative finance.  

For rent ready you can find deals at a lighter discount to market value, and understand different financing products + creative finance. 


Probably something like 1-2 properties a year, more of a slow burn building it up as a portion of my asset column with the goal of trading up into better real estate over time. 

Cash flow wouldn't be a primary concern with the initial properties as long as its positive as the focus will be trading up into properties with better cash flow potential. 

Post: Shoot Down My Beginner Strategy

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Quote from @Travis Timmons:

@Mark Cruse is right. And real estate does not pay you well if you need the money. It's like the house knows you need the money and something breaks.

I happened to have hit financial independence/work optional, but it took 19 years, a couple of live in flips (currently on my 3rd with a wife and 2 kids), paying off my primary home, moving to a lower cost of living area (Houston to Maine), and the sale of a business to push me over the top. The best way for you to retire your wife is to increase your W2 income and to cut your expenses as much as you reasonably can. 


 This is goals. I have a problem though - and think of this what you will, I like working I just don't like working for other people. Sounds dumb, delusional, and irresponsible but I have always wanted to work for myself. Don't even really care in what field or capacity. Just always felt I can take care of myself and my family better than any employer can. This has proven untrue up to this point after two failed businesses, but I am still searching for angles

Post: Shoot Down My Beginner Strategy

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Quote from @Basit Siddiqi:

Why form a corporation, what is the benefit of this step?

If you have $100,000 of equity, you may be able to get a quad somewhere in the country assuming you put down $100,000.

If you lived in the house for 2 out of the last 5 years, you may be able to exclude up to $500,000 of the gain from sale.

 @Basit Siddiqi Hello, thank you for your response! I was under the impression you needed to form a corporation to avoid the capital gains tax. It looks like that was incorrect, however by forming a corporation I can write off various other expenses.

Post: Shoot Down My Beginner Strategy

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Quote from @Kimberly White:

Hey there, I love seeing this kind of drive.. you’ve already taken the first step by carving out equity in your existing home, so kudos for that. Moving into a new place while converting the old one into a rental can absolutely jump-start your investing journey. From my experience, one key factor here is to run a thorough cash-flow analysis.. it’s not just about the mortgage payment, but also about unexpected exepnses like repairs and long-term capital improvements.

If you do decide to roll that equity into a multi-family, you’ll want to be clear on your target returns.. that way you can quickly spot a deal that’s actually profitable. As an investor-friendly agent based in New Jersey, I’ve seen folks leverage a strong network (like probate attorneys, local wholesalers, or even specialized divorce attorneys) to find properties that don’t always pop up in public listings. All channels can work.. it’s just that some work more often than others.

I’ve got a friend who tried a similar stroy a few years back.. she moved out of her condo and rented it to a family member, using the steady cash flow to secure financing on a duplex that had a ton of upside potential. Sometimes it’s the small steps that lead to the biggest leaps. By the way, from what i read in the street journal, the rental market in many regions is holding strong despite economic shifts, so that could play in your favor as you move forward.

What’s your gut feeling on the timeline for scaling up.. are you looking to ramp up quickly, or do you prefer a more measured approach?

 @Kimberly White Hello, Thank you for taking the time to respond to my post! What are some of the main points of a cash flow analysis for real estate investing?

Spotting deals is definitely something I need to familiarize myself with. I know there are formulas out there for analyzing deals, just need to study them and learn the language. How would you get in with attorneys that deal in these sorts of things? I don't know any, and I don't seem to run into them at the gym or grocery store. Hit them up on Facebook and invite them for coffee or something?

That is an awesome story about your friend! I would like to do something similar. My goal is to have sold my current primary and have an investment property by the end of '25. Either living in that investment or in a new primary, I have not determined that portion yet.

Post: Shoot Down My Beginner Strategy

Tyler GarzaPosted
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Quote from @Dave Foster:

@Tyler Garza, The most powerful (and simplest) strategy for you would be to

1. Sell the house you are in now and take that money tax free (if you've lived in it for 2 out of the last 5 years.

2. Take that money (it's all tax free) and use some to buy a small multi-family using conventional or FHA financing. Live in one side for a year to meet your residence requirement for the loan.

3. The use the rest of the money from the sale, plus the interest that you've earned off of that money plus the money you saved in rent by having the tenant in the other side make the mortgage payments.  And buy your next primary residence.  While you rent the other side of the duplex out.

Voila - No tax paid.  You have your first multi-family property.  And it was purchased with primary residence financing - so advantageous.  And you have a new primary residence.

If the idea of a year wait to get into your next primary is too long then sell your house now and buy two properties - one duplex and one primary.  Or heaven forbid I'm channeling someone here - buy the duplex and rent your own house for a while.

Unless your current house is a killer rental scenario you'll almost always do better selling it and taking the money tax free.


 Awesome! A lot of great info here and a different strategy than has been previously discussed on the above responses. Thank you for taking the time to respond.

Your strat is pretty straightforward and easy to understand for a beginner. However I am hung up on one part. I buy a duplex and live in one side and rent out the other for a year with my tenant paying the mortgage - wouldn't that make the rent uncharacteristically expensive for the tenant and make it hard to find a tenant?