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All Forum Posts by: Troy Zapp

Troy Zapp has started 2 posts and replied 9 times.

Post: partnering with your GC starting out?

Troy Zapp
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  • New to Real Estate
  • Cumming, GA
  • Posts 9
  • Votes 4
Quote from @Jon K.:
Quote from @Troy Zapp:

Hey Everyone! Trying to educate myself as much as possible before my first rehab attempt. Any advice is appreciated. Does anyone have any helpful advice or personal experience on splitting the profits of your first several flips with your GC? Especially for someone with no flip experience yet like me. Or even the benefits/cons of that relationship being long term? Would you or wouldn't you if given the chance? Thanks everyone.

My advice isn't so much about partnering with a GC as it is partnering or doing business with a friend. In short, I'll never do it again unless the relationship began as a business relationship that later evolved into a friendship and even then I'd be very selective. Over time, our relationship evolved to a point where every conversation mentioned the business in some capacity. Resentment happened on both sides where both of us felt the other wasn't holding up their end. I could go on but ultimately it very nearly cost me one of my oldest friendships. We were both relieved when we ended the arrangement and it took us a while to get back to the old ways.

Let me ask you this: What happens later on when you have enough experience that you no longer need your friend's expertise and also have enough experience to make larger margins in your flips? Now you're overpaying, maybe substantially, for your GC. How will it affect your friendship if you decide to go out on your own? Would you still use your friend as your GC and just pay him his regular rate (and would they be happy about the new arrangement)? What happens if you decide to stick with your partnership and now you're overpaying for labor? Will you begin to resent them or want to change the split? Again, how does that play? You're the money guy in this relationship according to another comment. What if you decide you can beat your flip returns in something more passive that is maybe lower risk because you're splitting profits but your friend now relies on the income from the flips as somewhat steady income?

I'm not saying any of this will happen, but it absolutely can. Best to think about it and talk about it now before you start down that road.

 All great advice @Jon K. and things to consider outside the realm of just finances and strategy. I've had a couple of those thoughts already on a smaller scale, but definitely need to think long and hard about it before even offering anything up. 

Post: partnering with your GC starting out?

Troy Zapp
Posted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Cumming, GA
  • Posts 9
  • Votes 4
Quote from @Rhealaine Sayson:

Partnering with your GC can be beneficial, especially if you're new to flipping. Sharing profits with your GC can give them extra incentive to do quality work and stay on schedule. but it's essential to have a clear agreement in place to avoid misunderstandings. Some potential downsides include giving up more profit and possible disagreements on project decisions. It can be a good long-term relationship if you find the right partner, but be sure to do your due diligence and ensure everyone's goals align.

 Thank you @Rhealaine Sayson! You are the second or third person to highly suggest laying out a set of responsibilities and guidelines and expectations legally. And I 100% agree with that. I have a lot of knowledge I'm hoping to gain so even if I am missing out on some of the profit I could have made, to me knowledge is something you cannot put a price on when starting out.

Post: partnering with your GC starting out?

Troy Zapp
Posted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Cumming, GA
  • Posts 9
  • Votes 4
Quote from @Tim Ryan:

This is a great idea and you should partner with your friend GC.  You asked about %.  Since he will construct close to cost and taking a risk also, I would structure at 50/50. Will also motivate him to want to keep working with you.

@Tim Ryan thank you for your time to read the thread and share your thought! That is a good point, and when I think of what makes me feel more confident in my first flip, it always has to do with mistakes around the rehab (cost miscalculated and time lines) 

Post: partnering with your GC starting out?

Troy Zapp
Posted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Cumming, GA
  • Posts 9
  • Votes 4
Quote from @Alan F.:
Quote from @Troy Zapp:

Hey Everyone! Trying to educate myself as much as possible before my first rehab attempt. Any advice is appreciated. Does anyone have any helpful advice or personal experience on splitting the profits of your first several flips with your GC? Especially for someone with no flip experience yet like me. Or even the benefits/cons of that relationship being long term? Would you or wouldn't you if given the chance? Thanks everyone.


I wouldn't enter into a partnership, but would suggest a JV agreement drafted by an experienced real estate attorney. A very well detailed and agreed to contract with all contingencies spelled out. That includes exit strategies and a thorough understanding of risk.

 Thank you @Alan F. and I will 100% follow up on researching that. I think my terminology might be off with calling it a "partnership". I'm looking for more of a mutal benefit for us both. I want to be able to follow and shadow him and Soak in all the rehab knowledge and I want him to feel like it isnt all 1 sided by giving him a piece of the reward especially with so many benefits to the work being done if he is involved deeper in it. Thank you again!

Post: partnering with your GC starting out?

Troy Zapp
Posted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Cumming, GA
  • Posts 9
  • Votes 4
Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:

Agree with @Nathan Gesner. Beyond that, I used to do this and was the General  Contractor side of the deal. My money patner (and friend) provided all of the money. I did everything else.......the legwork to find the property, I purchased it, I used my crew and subs to do all of the necessary work, I got it on the market and sold it.

The split was 50/50, and sometimes slim or even a loss.

Think about how this scenario would work for you. It definitely can work, but as Nathan said, there must be a very good relationship between the partners!

 Thanks @Bruce Woodruff! That is actually amazing to hear you were the GC side of it. I am so curious on your experience with it. The GC is my neighbor/friend, so I know him well enough to feel like it would be a good fit thus far. If he would just be doing the rehab work on the house (I am the money, property finder, everything else in the process) would you think it would be OK to offer a 60/40 split or 55/45? Don't want to insult him with that offer, but I feel like we have more of the risk?? Or should it be 50/50?? Also, as a GC would you do all the rehab and materials as close to cost as possible since the bigger the profit you could produce in the end the better for you both? Thanks so much!

Post: partnering with your GC starting out?

Troy Zapp
Posted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Cumming, GA
  • Posts 9
  • Votes 4

Post: partnering with your GC starting out?

Troy Zapp
Posted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Cumming, GA
  • Posts 9
  • Votes 4

Hey Everyone! Trying to educate myself as much as possible before my first rehab attempt. Any advice is appreciated. Does anyone have any helpful advice or personal experience on splitting the profits of your first several flips with your GC? Especially for someone with no flip experience yet like me. Or even the benefits/cons of that relationship being long term? Would you or wouldn't you if given the chance? Thanks everyone.

Post: Looking to make a better financial future

Troy Zapp
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  • New to Real Estate
  • Cumming, GA
  • Posts 9
  • Votes 4

Thanks Richard! That certainly aligns with what I keep repeatedly hearing and reading from experts and others who have found reoccurring success in this. Would love to hear more about your personal start/journey in the future if possible. Be well!

Post: Looking to make a better financial future

Troy Zapp
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  • New to Real Estate
  • Cumming, GA
  • Posts 9
  • Votes 4

Hello Everyone! I'm 35, with a wonderful wife and a big ol' Shepard mix named Brewski. I'm here because I feel like I'm at a standstill in life with what to do next to better my family's future. I have faith that there is success to be found in real estate through properly educating yourself, having perserverenece, and not being shy of some hard-work. I hope to gain knowledge and experiences along the way (hopefully with more triumphs then mistakes if the knowledge was implemented correctly). Bigger Pockets seems to be the best place to start!