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All Forum Posts by: Issac Phillips

Issac Phillips has started 2 posts and replied 4 times.

Post: Itemizing Fixed Cost for a wholesale transaction

Issac PhillipsPosted
  • San Antonio
  • Posts 4
  • Votes 0

Since the chart isn't showing... This is the further expanded category of Fixed Cost that I was referring to:

Purchase Cost

- Inspection Costs

- Closing Costs

- Lender Fees

Holding Cost

- Mortgage Payments

- Property Taxes

- Utilities

- Insurance

Selling Cost

- Commissions

- Closing Cost

- Home warranty

- Termite Letter

- MLS Fees

Post: Itemizing Fixed Cost for a wholesale transaction

Issac PhillipsPosted
  • San Antonio
  • Posts 4
  • Votes 0

Hello, I am a new wholesaler preparing to launch my first marketing campaign. But before I do, I'm still unsure on how to find the exact figures for the itemized list of Fixed Cost in order to accurately calculate the rehabber's Maximum Purchase Price. So I'm writing today with the hopes of figuring out how to find these exact values. My reading and a fellow investor taught me that it starts with understanding the 70% Rule which is a quick rule of thumb that can be used to quickly analyze a rehab deal or wholesale deal by applying a 30% discount to the ARV (less repairs).

70% Rule Formula

Quick analysis assumes profit and fixed cost will make up 30% of ARV

(ARV * 70%) - Repairs = Rehabber's MPP

Detailed analysis breaks the 15% into a detailed itemized list...

ARV - Repairs - Purchase Costs - Holding Costs - Selling Costs - Profit = Rehabber's MPP

Then, in order to determine Wholesalers Maximum Allowable Offer you would use the following formula:

MAO = Rehabber's MPP - Wholesale Profit

What I need to be able to do is use the Max Purchase Price formula (detailed analysis) in order to calculate a more accurate MPP. This will in turn allow me to contract the property at the right price. The MPP Formula (detailed analysis) requires you to itemize your Fixed Costs (instead of just simply applying 15% of the ARV). Often Rehabbers & Wholesalaers will use the 70% Rule (quick analysis) to quickly evaluate a deal and then use the Max Purchase Price Formula (detailed analysis) to perform a more accurate calculation before they get the property under contract. This is where I fall short. I need help on how to find the following itemized list of Fixed Cost in order to calculate the Rehabbers MPP using actual figures instead of stopping at 15% of the ARV:

  • Purchase Costs
  • Holding Costs
  • Selling Costs

J. Scott in his article on Fixed Cost expands the categories further using the following chart:

Can anyone tell me where to look or who to ask for the detailed list above for the San Antonio area specifically? Thank you.

Thank you for responding, and yes it seems I had the two formulas mixed up so I get it now! But I’m still having trouble finding the itemized Fixed Cost (Buying cost, holding cost, selling cost, financing cost). Can you offer any suggestions on how to obtain this info? Thanks again for your help

So I actually have a few questions about this particular matter. Im a new wholesaler currently preparing to launch my first marketing campaign. However, I'm still hesitant to start because even after reading almost every book that exist on wholesale real estate, I'm still confused on a few things. I think it might have a lot to do with the fact that many investors that I've listened to have offered slightly different advice on the wholesale strategy. However, there are still bits of information that seems consistent for the most part. Let's take the MOA formula for instance. Based on my reading and self-training, I know that you calculate MAO using the following formula:

(ARV x 70%) - repair cost - wholesale profit = Maximum Allowable Offer

However, after further reading articles and responses concerning Fixed Cost, this cost should be considered when making your MAO. This proved to be confusing considering the fact that all of the YouTube videos that I've watched and the many books I've read, the professional wholesalers who swear by the above formula fail to mention the Fixed Cost into there MAO. Well most not all wholesalers, to be sure, there are in fact some out there that mention fixed cost when considering the MAO formula. My main question is this, when im on the phone with a motivated seller engaged in a discussion about the subject property, when asked to make an offer over the phone should I use the following formula:

(ARV x 70%) - repair cost - wholesale profit - fixed cost = Maximum Allowable Offer

And if so, how do I find fixed cost for the San Antonio area when put on the spot to make a quick ballpark offer?

In this article, (https://www.biggerpockets.com/blog/2010/03/17/calc...) J Scott breaks down Fixed Cost into 3 categories

  1. Purchase Costs
  2. Holding Costs
  3. Selling Costs

He continues further explaining the fees associated with each category:

Purchase Cost:

- Inspection Cost - Since I intend to wholesale future subject properties to rehabbers... should i consider the cost of inspection? Or should I leave this task to the rehabber to do on their own?

- Closing Cost - He mentions the fees associated with closing.. (title search, attorney fees, courier fees, recording fees, state taxes, document review fees, etc) My question is this, what are the closing fees that I should concern my self with (as a wholesaler) and how do I find these fees in order to consider in my analysis?

- Lender fees - Im not sure if this applies to me since ill be dealing mostly in Cash transactions... So should this also be considered in my Purchase Cost total?

Holding Cost:

It is my understanding that holding cost are the cost that the rehabber is responsible for while the property is in their possession during the rehab process.

  • Mortgage payments - Again, this seems like something the rehabber has to worry about when they choose to use a lender to finance the property they intend to buy from me (the wholesaler).... is this something I should consider in the total Fixed Cost figure for calculating my MAO (as a wholesaler) or should I leave this to the rehabber?
  • Property taxes - how do I find out what the property taxes are on a property that I intend to wholesale to a rehabber?
  • Utilities - the above question can also be applied to utilities... who do I ask, what should I google search, to find out the utilities associated with the subject property
  • Insurance - same question for insurance

Selling cost:

Its my understanding that selling cost are the cost the rehabber is responsible for when they are ready to sell the property that they bought from me (the wholesaler) after fixing and bringing the property back up to excellent condition. As the wholesaler should I concern my self with the following selling cost when calculating the MAO with a motivated seller:

  • Commissions
  • Closing Cost
  • Home warranty
  • Termite letter
  • MLS fees

So altogether, it's seems that there are some cost to include in the fixed cost total while the others are for the rehabber to worry about after purchasing the property from me (the wholesaler). Atleast that's my understanding, I know I could be wrong but that's why I'm writing this in the first place. If I'm suppose to consider fixed cost into my MAO formula, how do I find, what should I search or who should I ask, in order to get actual fixed cost figures for the San Antonio area, in order to properly analyze a deal

Or

Is fixed cost figures something I should worry about after the initial phone conversation with the motivated seller, later in the transaction

Again I ask if fixed cost is something I should figure into my MAO formula when I have to make an offer over the phone... how do I go about finding this info prior to the phone conversation?

I know this was lengthy, so please read with patience and understanding for I am new to this and I’m attempting to wholesale my first deal without a mentor (since mentors/coaching is expensive) and I’m having a hard time finding a wholesaler who would be willing to work with a newbie. Thank you for your time.