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All Forum Posts by: Tory Sheffer

Tory Sheffer has started 8 posts and replied 29 times.

Post: Multifamily Acquisition Startegy

Tory ShefferPosted
  • Investor
  • Brighton, MI
  • Posts 29
  • Votes 25

@Dusty Laurin Yes, I’d rather buy it ASAP.

Post: Multifamily Acquisition Startegy

Tory ShefferPosted
  • Investor
  • Brighton, MI
  • Posts 29
  • Votes 25

@Tim Delaney that’s very good insight thank you! My plan was to do Environmental’s and all normal DD as if I’m purchasing as well. One thing with this route is the all lease payments would go towards the eventual purchase price. For example $2.5m agreed purchase, $100k annual lease. In 10 years I would owe $1.5M to seller.

Post: Multifamily Acquisition Startegy

Tory ShefferPosted
  • Investor
  • Brighton, MI
  • Posts 29
  • Votes 25

@Kelly I. Yea I have my attorney do all the paperwork. Good call on having all the kids sign as well.

Post: Multifamily Acquisition Startegy

Tory ShefferPosted
  • Investor
  • Brighton, MI
  • Posts 29
  • Votes 25

@Evan Polaski it would be set purchase price at time of contract. For example, $100k annual lease, $2.5M purchase, lease payments to be credited towards purchase price at closing. I know the area well, extremely close to home, location not a concern at all.

Post: Multifamily Acquisition Startegy

Tory ShefferPosted
  • Investor
  • Brighton, MI
  • Posts 29
  • Votes 25

@Richard Cumberbatch Inherited property goes right to market value for cost basis to whoever is the beneficiary so there wouldn’t be capital gains at that time.

Post: Multifamily Acquisition Startegy

Tory ShefferPosted
  • Investor
  • Brighton, MI
  • Posts 29
  • Votes 25

Multifamily scenario, looking to see if anyone has had similar deals/experience with this strategy.

Original developer 1965-1990 (phased construction) still owns a great product I’m trying to buy. Market rents are 70% higher than current tenant base. Owner is in his mid-80’s. Not interested in selling at my price due to capital gains. Kids inherit the money or the property. Cost basis becomes market value at inheritance and the kids wouldn’t have to pay capital gains. Only selling advantage is to no longer manage the asset. The kids end up doing all the maintenance, they’re not in the business and don’t have high interest. Planning to sell at inheritance point.

My latest offer was a lease-option. I lease the property with closing set 10-15 years, or on passing of original owners. I take over everything and pay them roughly 80% of annual cash flow. No debt at acquisition, would only require cap ex reserves and operating funds.

The owners kids seem interested in this strategy. Makes sense for me because very low cash out, rent pays master lease, I’m highly confident I can bump as-is rent and increase annual cash flow with low cost. (I own 2 similar properties nearby and achieving 2x rent comparable)

I would plan to own this asset forever. I love the location. So 10-15 years before closing is fine with me. Also this gives me great runway to own this 100% without investors and I have ability to close the purchase on my own when closing inevitably happens.

Looking to hear thoughts and feedback on this strategy and if anyone here has done something similar. Thanks!

Post: Cost Segregation Study for Taxes

Tory ShefferPosted
  • Investor
  • Brighton, MI
  • Posts 29
  • Votes 25

@Paul Moore that’s incredible. Good work. Exactly what I was looking for!

Post: Cost Segregation Study for Taxes

Tory ShefferPosted
  • Investor
  • Brighton, MI
  • Posts 29
  • Votes 25
Originally posted by @Zach Lemaster:

@Tory Sheffer

We love doing cost seg studies!  That is basically our main tax planning strategy each year.  It's crazy to me how many people are unaware of cost segs, or simply don't use them.  We plan to acquire rental RE every year anyways so might as well reduce our taxable income for that year to allow us to have more capital upfront to reinvest sooner vs just paying to Uncle Sam where we never see it again.  We won't sell these for many years, and will 1031 them when we do.  We mainly buy commercial retail & medical.  Closed a $4.3M building in Dec that allowed us to write off $1.2M of taxable income.  Under contract now on a $11M complex that should allow a write off of ~$3M write off or greater.

Cost segregation seems to confuse everyone, except those who are using this strategy. Not your fault for the confusion here. I encourage ALL investors to look into cost seg studies to see if they can qualify. We have many investors that will do cost seg studies on even one SFR or a small portfolio if it makes sense to them.

A couple of follow up questions for you.  What was the asset class you purchased? You stated 27.5 years, but depreciation in commercial is 39 years.  The $640k seems very good for the overall write off.  If you remove an assumed land value of say 15% gives you a property value of $1,674,500, so $640k would be about a 38.2% deduction which is better than we've ever seen on our studies.  Is this accurate?

This a multifamily property so 27.5 year tax life. Rough property value excluding land was $1,800,000. We also have construction in progress. There was more expense determined by my CPA that could be used as deduction, pure cost seg was around $550k year 1. 

Post: Cost Segregation Study for Taxes

Tory ShefferPosted
  • Investor
  • Brighton, MI
  • Posts 29
  • Votes 25
Originally posted by @Tushar P.:
Originally posted by @Zach Lemaster:

@Tory Sheffer

Cost segregation seems to confuse everyone, except those who are using this strategy.  Not your fault for the confusion here.

Do you think there is some complicated quantum mechanics going on that an average brained person cannot understand cost segregation, or do you think people could get confused because the OP doesn’t have any articulation skills? At least he regretted that there is no delete button. Or do you think it’s something these?

Is it a big news that cost seg is better than linear depreciation? Or do you think suggesting that to be the main conclusion is simply a manifestation of poor articulation skills?

Thanks for the follow up questions, but looking at the previous posts from the OP, there may be more confusion coming 😅

I don't think that it's big news, but I would challenge you to go to the next available Investor Meetup and ask around who uses cost seg. Very few that I have met that are starting out in RE or with smaller properties have used this tool or even know it exists. This includes investors who own many smaller properties that they have owned for 10+ years. I'm not a writer, just wanted to share my experience and hear from others on the topic. 

Post: Cost Segregation Study for Taxes

Tory ShefferPosted
  • Investor
  • Brighton, MI
  • Posts 29
  • Votes 25

@Michael Plaks I look forward to seeing the trophy and appreciate the seal of approval. You’re correct it is a small group of investors who are all able to benefit.