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All Forum Posts by: Tone Church

Tone Church has started 13 posts and replied 60 times.

Thank you @Mike B. for the feedback. I will begin looking into this option.

My father has offered to give me his house and property. The house is a total disaster both aesthetically and structurally and will require a total tear down including the foundation. He also owes about $12,000 in back taxes. The land itself is worth about $50,000. 


What would be some ways to profit off of a situation like this. I would use the money to fund my parents' "retirement" since neither of them have a dime to their name and the house and one used 15 year old car are their only assets. 

- Sell the land

- Build a new house on the land and sell it for profit

If there's an option that provides ongoing payments to me for my parents or to them directly would love to hear about that. 

Post: How important are expenses when analyzing deals?

Tone ChurchPosted
  • Goshen, NY
  • Posts 60
  • Votes 14

Of course expenses matter. So many people confuse "tax write off" and "tax deductible" with free and it really blows my mind. Insurance will not cover repairs on the house that is bogus. 

Ok, I know there are a ton of posts on the boards of people asking for help analyzing their deal or rental. In fact, reading them is what helped me determine the things I need to consider when building my rental property deal analyzer spreadsheet I created. But there's a lot more riding on the use of the spreadsheet than the creation of the spreadsheet, especially since this is my first home purchase ever and the seller just countered my initial offer. I thought it would be wise to get some insights from some of the great people here on BP before I respond.


Backstory:

Listed 08/03/2017 for $279,000
Price Changed 09/17/2017 to $264,000
Seller's agent notified my agent the property has only had one offer at $200,000
Seller received my offer of 247,000 with a $10,000 seller's concession financed via an FHA loan on Saturday and replied today, Monday offering 257,000 with no seller's concession and they want me to find other "more traditional funding" for some reason and don't like the FHA loan - something related to the age of the house (1890).

Here's the numbers breakdown:

MONTHLY INCOME: $3,000
Price: 257,000
Units: 2
Potential Rental Income: $3,000 ($1,300 on one and $1,700 on the other - I will be living in one for the first year, per FHA requirements but put that aside when evaluating please)
% of Purchase Price: 1.17% (monthly rental income divided by purchase price x 100)


MONTHLY EXPENSES: $2,806

Taxes: $775
Insurance: $120
Utilities: paid by respective tenants
Private Water and Septic
Lawn/Snow: $20
Vacancy Expense (8%): $240
Repairs Estimate: $150
CapEX: $120
Property Management: $0.00
Mortgage (Principle, Interest, and PMI): $1,381 (assumes 3.5% down and 4% interest rate)
Missing anything obvious?

CASHFLOW: $194.00

CASH ON CASH / ROI: 1.27

Downpayment: 12,850 (assumes 5% down which one of the brokers said would be required if I don't do the FHA)
Closing Costs: $15,420 (assumes 6% down as avg closing cost)
Total Initial Cash Investment: $28,270
Annual Cash Flow: $36,000
Annual Cash Flow/Total Initial Cash Investment: 1.27 (cap rate?)

The house was built in 1890. Looks in good shape, including the roof (though no home inspector yet), recently "renovated" and ready to rent on the first day (but currently unoccupied). I would probably spend about $1,500 on some new carpeting in some of the bedrooms and would consider finishing the massive attic space (about 700 sq ft up there) and that's about it. The seller is a Harvard graduate ER doctor that lives out of state and inherited this house from his mother when she passed away in 2011. 


Would you accept the offer if you had to (i.e. if you countered and they rejected it and stuck to the 257,000)? What do you think of this rental property?

Post: New to BP and wanting to connect!

Tone ChurchPosted
  • Goshen, NY
  • Posts 60
  • Votes 14

Welcome @Tammy Hardy. Would love to follow your successes and hear about the deals you're working on. 

Thank you @Bryan Pham! Fortunately massive action is my specialty. Happy to have a community here to help support it. 

Post: Acquired Property & Tenant within a Month

Tone ChurchPosted
  • Goshen, NY
  • Posts 60
  • Votes 14
Not a lot to add just wanted to say good luck on your new rental!
I am honored to be a new member of this fantastic community. I am 33 years old from the Hudson Valley of NY, and have spent most of my adult life trying to overcome the effects of a poverty stricken upbringing and broken home. After finally getting my MBA a few years ago I merged a small marketing agency I had built up from nothing while in college with a larger firm. I have spent the last four years there working in an executive leadership position and that has finally afforded me with an income and lifestyle I am happy with.... but not satisfied. My life-long God-given urge to be an entrepreneur has been getting stronger every day and I see the next 33 years as being full of real estate investing. I am relatively new in that I don't currently own any properties but have been reading and listening to podcasts at a rapid pace for the last six months and just put my first offer in on a multi family property last week, which I intend to live in for the first year. I just attended three intense days at a real estate investing class and am eager to continue building my network with other motivated individuals and this wonderful community. Cheers, Tone