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All Forum Posts by: Tom Jones

Tom Jones has started 4 posts and replied 34 times.

Post: Super Newbie with a Possible Deal (Need Advice)

Tom JonesPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Manassas Park, VA
  • Posts 37
  • Votes 3
Originally posted by Trip B:
Hi Bp, I've been looking and learning from here for sometime. Putting things I've learned here, I put things in action and put up some bandit signs in the area. The phone started ringing and the first call was this:

Two Family House

STYLE 2 Family
MODEL Residential
Grade: Average
Stories: 2 Stories
Occupancy 2
Exterior Wall 1 Aluminum Sidng
Roof Structure: Gable/Hip
Roof Cover Asphalt
Interior Wall 1 Plastered/Dryw
Interior Flr 1 Fin WD/Carpet
Heat Fuel Oil/Gas
Heat Type: FA/HW/ST
AC Type: None
Total Bedrooms: 06
Total Bthrms: 2
Total Half Baths: 0
Total Rooms: 12
Bath Style: Average
Kitchen Style: Average

Living Area 2,578 square feet
Replacement Cost 222,986
Year Built 1935
Depreciation 30%
Replacement Cost Less Depreciation 156,100

BAS First Floor 1037 1037
FAT Finished Attic 1008 504
FOP Fin Open Porch 224 0
FUS Finished Upper Story 1037 1037
UBM Unfinished Basement 1037 0

Total 4343 2578

Current Assessed Value
Total: 131,880
Zestimate $137,500

Owner says it needs roofing work done and the porch needs to be fixed

There are 2 tenants one is paying $900 a month
the other isn't paying anything but is a family member which a reason he has to sell not making much money.

Owner owes property free and clear and is looking for $70k or best offer.

Comps in the area are about 115k
so 70% is 80,500 - 20k repairs - 10k my fee = 50,500

Supposed to meet with him today, my partner set the meeting up before I could talk to him.

What do you guys think?

Is that the LOWEST cash deal in the local area for a house similar to that one? Since there is obvious work that needs to be done, when you are searching for comps, you want to look at recent transactions back 90 days, and want to go with the lowest amount. From, there, pick a couple to base your amount off of.

Also, your $50,000 offer is MUCH less than what the owner is seeking. Just because an owner states that they want $70,000 OBO, doesn't always mean they will take $50,000 or something similar. If you stick with this price, explain to the seller, the reasons for such a low offer.

If he declines, shave a little off your commission, and take a lesser one. One of the biggest things I am learning from Drew Downs is that you get rich off skinny deals.

The two sites that I have been using for comps are:
http://www.eppraisal.com/ - I use this site to find out what the home is worth. Also, if you type in an address, and scroll near the bottom, it will give you recently sold transactions near that house. However, you have to do your own due diligence to determine if the houses they show, are similar or not to the house you are about to potentially flip.

http://www.redfin.com - This site, I am also utilizing for comps in the local area. I like this site more for recent transaction, because you can specify 3 months, you can put in the square footage, lot size, bedrooms, bathrooms, etc. When you go to type in an address, be sure to click on "more options" to input better search criteria.

http://www.rentometer.com/ - This site I will be using, to determine what the rents are like for the area.

I was told yesterday from another wholesaler on facebook that end buyers will do their own due diligence, etc, but I personally like to earn what I make, and I figure, if I go above and beyond, the more they will buy from me.

Like I said, all you can do is offer what you think is right. If he doesn't agree, give him a little extra.

Post: Few questions

Tom JonesPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Manassas Park, VA
  • Posts 37
  • Votes 3
Originally posted by David Tower:

Hello Tom,

I'm new as well and still completing my business plan but I'll attempt to tackle a few of these based on what I've read, heard, and researched. They say you recall the things you teach right?

3. An "investor friendly" title company needs to be able to complete both double closings and assignments. Some title companys don't understand that a double closing can even be done. They might even say they can do it to get you in the door without knowing what you're talking about. Also, you may be able to get a discount with repeat business as an investor at certain places.

4. As you said there's plenty of people that don't make an earnest money deposit and some that give up to $100. There seems to be mixed feelings about this and some say that in some states a contract is not legally binding without some minimum amount of deposit. I tried to search on the internet for my state (RI) and only found info about purchasing houses retail. A local "guru" here at my REI says in their contract they put something to this effect "$500 earnest money to be held by our attorney" and he says it works fine. Personally I'm not putting more than $10 if I'm going to lose it if I can't find a buyer.

6. It really does depend on your comfort level/preference. It might make sense to ask for a higher amount on a bigger deal but it just comes down to how much security you want to get. Be confident when giving your terms to the buyer. Cash buyers expect to have to put a deposit down, so it's not like you're asking for something extra.

Hope that helps!

Good luck

Thanks a lot for the information David. I am not new, new when it comes to Real Estate since I got my start in cash flows, and to me, wholesaling is the same principle, just some different steps to take into consideration really.

A friend of mine gave me the name and number of a guy who owns a title company, and someone he has known his whole life. I am calling them today to see what they got to say.

Whoever, I find in my local area, that is who I plan to bring all my business to, unless I have a buyer who is demanding to use their title company. Just trying to figure out who exactly is supposed to open up escrow, and if you pay for everything at closing (which I believe that is how I have read things).

Does your local "guru" really put up the $500, or he just say that? I would think if he just says it, but doesn't really do that, then he could open himself up to some legal issues.

From what I have heard from a few gurus who actively wholesale, that real motivated sellers, just want their property sold, and don't worry to much over earnest deposit. They just want you to buy!

If I had to do one, I probably would just do $10 and no more than that. Whether or not, I know I already have a buyer in mind.

I think for the first 1 to 3 deals, I will require a deposit, and depending on the how relationship builds, wouldn't require one from the same buyer on the rest. Like you said, just have to see.

Post: Few questions

Tom JonesPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Manassas Park, VA
  • Posts 37
  • Votes 3

I forgot, one last question.

What happens if the end buyer, seller, or I, or all 3 are unable to make it to the closing table for any reason at all. How does the closing happen then? I have heard different versions about this, and would like to make it clear, so if I am asked, I can answer.

Post: Few questions

Tom JonesPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Manassas Park, VA
  • Posts 37
  • Votes 3

I currently have a few questions regarding wholesaling properties. Any help, advice, etc would be appreciated.

1. I understand how to determine what to offer a potential seller for their property (ARV x X% - repair) - your wholesale fee. Now obviously the figure I come up with after computing the (ARV x X% - repair) is what I offer to the seller. However, what I would like to know, is when I put the property up for sale once under contract, do I include my assignment fee in the sales price, or just simply tell the buyer what my assignment fee? What works best for you?

2. What works best for you when estimating the repairs needed on a home? Luckily for me, I have a friend who is a construction contractor and has already agreed to do estimates for me if and when I need them, and I can settle up with him once I sell the property. However, I am curious to see what other wholesalers do.

3. One of the main things I have not found yet, but currently working towards is finding an investor friendly title company. What questions should I ask them, or how should I approach them to determine if they would be good to do business with?

4. Regarding making an earnest deposit on a property I am wholesaling, I have read and heard a few wholesalers that say they always do this, and I have heard some say that they never do an earnest deposit. Can anyone confirm which is it? For the ones that I have heard that do an earnest deposit, they say they do between $1 to $100 and never more than that. However, what sense would it make to do a $1 deposit at a title/escrow company?

5. When it comes time to go to escrow once I have an end buyer, who opens up the title/escrow account? Is it me, or the end buyer? Also, what cost is involved to open it, or is everything paid at the end?

6. Just about every wholesaler that I have been reading, have all stated that they make their end buyers put up a non refundable earnest deposit when buying a property from them. Now, this does make sense, and not a bad idea, to ensure the buyer won't back out, and if he does, you get to keep the earnest deposit. However, the question is, what is the normal amount to request, or just it depend?

I believe that is all. I do apologize for the MILLION questions, but I didn't want to flood the forum with multiple threads. Again, thanks to anyone in advance who can shed some light onto all of this for me!