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All Forum Posts by: Tom Albares

Tom Albares has started 6 posts and replied 12 times.

Post: Homeowners Insurance for Short Term Vacation Rental

Tom AlbaresPosted
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Try Proper Insurance.  They only insure short term rentals.  We've used them for over 5 years.

Investment Info:

Condo buy & hold investment in Tucson.

Purchase price: $245,000
Cash invested: $55,000
Sale price: $375,000

1077 sq ft two bed, two bath condo used as a short term rental. Located in a condo complex in north Tucson that includes two heated pools, hot tubs, a tennis court, and hiking trail.

What made you interested in investing in this type of deal?

We already had a short term rental condo in this area of Tucson. We though we would scale up by purchasing a second.

How did you find this deal and how did you negotiate it?

We found the deal on the MLS and negotiated using our buyers agent. This was during the buying frenzy in 2021, so people made escalating offers, were in bidders wars, waived appraisals and inspections. We made an escalating offer, the eventual high offer. We had the property inspected. Cancelled offer after inspection - too many repairs needed for that price. Property sat, we made a lower offer that was eventually accepted.

How did you finance this deal?

Conventional financing with 25% down. Used a local broker and got a rate of 4.875%.

How did you add value to the deal?

Changed all flooring to LVP. Remodeled both baths with new fixtures, new vanities, new tile, and expanded shower. Replaced HVAC. Remodeled kitchen, painted cabinets, new granite countertops, new stainless steel appliances. Repainted entire unit.

What was the outcome?

Successfully rented it as a short term rental from 9/2021 - 7/2024. Grossed around $60k in yearly rentals, netted around $21k. Decided to shift to long term rentals in 2024 and sold the condo for $375,000. Took the proceeds and put them into a 1031 exchange to be used on purchasing a long term rental.

Lessons learned? Challenges?

Short term rentals are not real estate, they are the hospitality business. If you want to be successful at short term rentals, learn guest relations or hire a property manager. We self managed the entire time, even remotely, because we found the cost of property management to be too high and it cut into small profits. Use good automation - a PMS, and a good pricing software. And build a good local team that you can depend on.

Did you work with any real estate professionals (agents, lenders, etc.) that you'd recommend to others?

We bought and sold with Mike Morgan or Omni Homes International. We found financing with Mitchell Jones at Nova Home Loans in Tucson.

In this market, fourplexes are hard to find. If you do, think 25% down for an investor unless your going to house hack and live in one of the units. Rents are low right now. So assume a fourplex you find, in a decent area, for $400,000. Unless you're going to live in it, assume $100,000 down. Assume it's turnkey and needs nothing (big assumption). Assume each unit is renting for $1000/mo. So $4000/mo in gross income. The mortgage payment (PITI) would be around $2800/mo. If you hold back 5% for repairs, 8% for vacancy, 5% for capex, that's $720/mo. So you may profit $4000-2800-720=$480/mo or $5760/year. For year one, that a 5.76% cash on cash return. These numbers, all assumptions, may be more realistic.

You don't need an LLC. You can get short term rental insurance with many carriers. I use Proper Insurance. You may also want a +1M dollar umbrella policy to cover any liabilities.

Please help me evaluate this deal:

New construction SFH in Tucson, AZ area. 3 bed, 2 bath, 1512 sq ft. Price is $336,900. Down payment is $130,000 from a 1031 exchange. Class A property in growing suburb. High paying local jobs.

Monthly cash flow: $306 /mo

Income:  $2,250 /mo

Expenses:  $1,943 /mo

CoC ROI: 2.69%

5-year annualized return 4.91%   Mortgage payment $1,394.53

Rental income: $2,250/mo 

Expenses: $1,943


Loan details

Total cash needed $136,739

Purchase price$ 336,990

Loan amount $206,990

Loan term 30 years

Interest rate 7.1%

Monthly expense breakdown

Total expenses $1,943

Mortgage $1,395

Taxes $280

Insurance $47

Variable expenses  $180

Fixed expenses $42

Monthly Fixed expenses: $42 

electricity $0

gas $0

water & sewer $0

hoa fees $42

garbage$ 0

Other$ 0

Monthly Variable expenses $180

Vacancy $180

Maintenance $0 (new construction)

CapEx $0 (new construction)

Management fees $0 (self manage)

Returns

NOI$ 20,412

CoC ROI 2.69%

Pro forma cap 6.06%

Purchase cap 6.06% 

We are closing on the sale of a condo we own at the end of the month.  The condo was used for several years as a short term rental.  The proceeds are $140,000.  The condo sold for $375,000.

We could take the entire $140,000 and put it towards a single family home to be used as a long term rental, and get an interest rate around 7.5%.  It would have to be a home just barely worth $375,000 or greater, and would hopefully cash flow.

Or we could go for two single family homes, less expensive, and put $70,000 down on each.  We could target homes more in the $300k - $325k range.  Still, at least 20% down on each home.  

These would be in an appreciating area, so cash flow will be low. 

Would you please give me your opinion?

Also, in this metro area, new construction homes from all of the big builders are being sold complete with all appliances and blinds for less than resales.  Home owners have not reacted to the down turn in pricing as fast as the new home builders.  With that in mind, would you target a new construction spec built home over a more expensive resale?

In 2016, my wife and I bought a condo in the Catalina Foothills area of Tucson.  The property allowed short term rentals, had very nice amenities - pools, hot tub, tennis courts, and it sounded like a great business for my wife to run while I maintained my day job as and engineer.  We bought the property for $116,000 and put about $20,000 into it re-habing it and furnishing it.  We listed it on Airbnb and VRBO.  The business did pretty well.  We rented it consistently throughout the year (mostly on HomeAway, now VRBO), made our mortgage payment and a little extra, and benefited from the tax benefits and appreciation.  

My wife died suddenly in 2019 and I decided to sell the property.  I listed it for $199,000 and lowered the price for six months to $182,000.  I got no offers.  After 6 months, the ability to benefit form stepped up capital gain tax rules expired, and I took the property off the market and relisted it as a short term rental.  I knew nothing about dynamic pricing, or market analysis, and pretty much learned the business on my own.  I did have a good housekeeping crew, handy man, and the ability to run it remotely.

I moved to California, and ran it remotely. After a period of time, I met my beautiful second wife, and she fell in love with the property in Tucson. She suggested expanding the business by buying a second property in the same complex. We enlisted our realtor, who had found us the first property. Property values and prices had really escalated since 2016, so the same type of condo was now costing $235,000 or more. We took a HELOC on the first property and armed ourselves with a down payment. After about 2 months, we found a second property. We made multiple offers on several properties, dealt with bidding wars, and buyers waiving inspections and appraisals. We ended up buying a property that cost $245,000 with the seller giving us $5,000 towards closing costs. The property had long term tenants, paying well below market rate in rent at $1,095/month.

We told them 7 months before their lease expired that we would not be extending their lease and offered them $4,000 to buy out the lease, which they refused.  We gained control of the condo in April of 2022 and set out to remodel it.  We found the condition of the condo to be that of a 1986 condo with all the wear and tear.  Bad carpets, cracked floor and counter tile, some popcorn ceilings, dated fixtures, etc.  We replaced the HVAC system ($7,400) while the tenants were in place, because it was 30+ years old and leaking coolant.

We tried to get multiple bids from contractors to put in new flooring, countertops, retile the shower and bath, paint the walls and ceiling, etc.  Most contractors we contacted told us they were too busy for the work or that they couldn't even give us an estimate for three months.  We ended up with two bid, one for $14,000 (way too low), and one for $34,000.  We went with the higher estimate.  Even with the rehab cost and the cost of furnishing, there was still profit to be made as a short term rental.  

The contractors started demo on 5/1/22.  They told us they would mostly be complete by the end of May.  Well, the end of May came, and all that was done was demo.  By the end of June, the granite countertops and new kitchen sink were installed.  We met with the owner of the firm, and he said by the end of July it would be completed.  In July, the luxury vinyl plank flooring was installed.  The showers and bath were retiled.  The new baseboards were installed.  All new door hardware was installed.  The whole place was painted.  A few last minute electrical and plumbing jobs needed to be completed, and everything was done by the first week of August. 

Overall, the place looks great.  The only original thing from the condo that remains are the kitchen counters which were repainted.  We're now in the process of furnishing it, installing new ceiling fans, and TVs.  There was some touch up to do, but nothing major.  All in all, the remodeling cost us about $34,000 to the contractor, which include the granite countertops, drywall work, and paint and tile labor charges.  The flooring cost us $3,700.  The tile cost about $1,000 in materials.  The new kitchen appliance suite and washer/dryer for Costco was $3,400.  And the HVAC was $7,400.  So our investment was $245,000 + $34,000 + $3,700 + $1,000 + $3,400 + $7,400 = $294,500.  That's just for the condo.  We put 20% down (about $52,000) to buy the condo, so out of pocket costs are $101,500.  Similar un-renovated condos in the same complex are still selling for $325,000.  Of course the risks that in this economy, prices can and will drop.  But the numbers still work for short term rental.  We've kept the cost of furnishing it pretty low - Zinus beds on Amazon, TVs and various household items from Costco, ceiling fans from Lowe's, mini blinds from Home Depot, etc.  So far less than $5,000 to furnish a two bedroom condo including new furniture.  All of the furniture was bought on sale during the time the condo was remodeled.

We will have the condo listed by Labor Day.  We already have people wanting to book the January through March timeframe (our high season) for around $7,500/month.  During the summer months, our low season, nightly rates go down to about $90/night.  And even in this recession, our first condo has stayed moderately booked and covered expenses.  The net income from the condo has been (based on the first one) to be about $21,000/year.  So I guess that equates to a 20.6% cash on cash return.

Thank you for reading my post and I hope it inspires others with ideas.

Quote from @Chris Barczewski:

Hi there,

I'm currently using Hospitable for my channel management, automated messages, calendar sync, etc.  I'm considering switching to Futurestay because it has (i think) more robust features for direct booking and credit cards, etc.  There are a lot of choices for these channel managers right now.  Does anyone have experience with these?  Do you know what is the best one if you were going to choose one in 2022?  Thanks so much in advance.

I've had good experience using Guesty for Hosts, formerly the YourPorter App. Very good for calendar syncing, automating messaging, and informing and managing my cleaners.  They also offer a free direct booking website (using their domain) or you can use your own domain for a small fee.  It can be setup in minutes using data from Airbnb.  Uses Stripe to process credit cards.    The monthly cost is low ($20/mo) and gets lower with more properties.  It integrates directly with Pricelabs and Wheelhouse for dynamic pricing.  It can also set smart lock codes for guest for a small fee.  Hope this helps.

Post: Seller financing of property

Tom AlbaresPosted
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I found a property that is fully furnished that would be an excellent STR. The seller stated that seller financing is a possibility. The property has been used by the owner as a rental. It's in an HOA that has depleted its reserves installing individual water meters, and no conventional lender will lend against it until they increase the HOA and recover the reserves.

I contacted the seller, and they responded that after speaking with their tax advisor that they may not sell the property at this point.  I'm assuming they found at the capital gains and depreciation recapture would be due with an outright sale of the property.

I suggested to the seller that if they would consider seller financing, they could defer a large portion of the capital gains, and pay gains tax on only the portion of the principal incurred each year.  They could also develop of stream of passive income on the interest collected, although it would be taxed as regular income like interest is.  

Am I on the right track here with this thinking?

Quote from @Andrew Postell:

@Tom Albares I think I'm tracking with what you are asking...but if I'm off let me know.

Whenever we buy another rental property, we should always work with a lender that will use the rental income of that property to help me qualify.  We are working under the assumption that these are rental properties that are used in a traditional sense - meaning, 12 months leases.  Short Term Rentals (STRs), owner financing, etc. are handled differently.  So as long as they are rented, I should get credit for that income. Otherwise, I will eventually hit a wall and NOT be able to qualify for anything with that lender.  Since we only buy properties that cash flow, I should look BETTER with each property I purchase.  At least, that's how it should work in concept.

So for a 2nd property, you cannot use income from that home to help you qualify....since you are occupying it part of the year.  If you are occupying it part of the year, then you cannot rent it out for 12 months.  Does that make sense how I am saying all of this?  Hit me back if you were talking about something else.  Here to help.  Thanks!

You're right on target.  Sure, I could get into the second mortgage loan with 10% down, produce some short term rental income, but as long as it is classified as a second home, the rental income derived from it could not help me qualify on the next property if I wished to scale.  

The only way that I could see this as beneficial right now is for the short term rental income it could produce.  But, if in a year or so if the property appreciated, I could possibly refinance it as an investment property and use all income produced to qualify for the refinance and any subsequent loans.  Does that make sense?