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All Forum Posts by: Tom Murray

Tom Murray has started 8 posts and replied 40 times.

Post: 13-unit Apt Complex For Sale In Twentynine Palms, CA

Tom MurrayPosted
  • Realtor
  • Coronado, CA
  • Posts 43
  • Votes 39

Recently listed 13-unit apartment complex at 73151 Adobe Cir, Twentynine Palms, CA.  Link to Redfin listing.

Property has been extensively rehabbed and is now performing and occupied.


In addition to demanding high rents, there is still a lot of meat on the bone for another investor (opportunity to build more units, add storage, install solar, or submeter utilities).

This market - adjacent to Joshua Tree, a large U.S. Marine base, and JT National Park - has seen continued high occupancy.

@Damilola Oladipo I used HELOC against my primary residence to get into REI. There are lots of different HELOC products out there (varying rates, repay structures and length of time you can draw against LOC). Big fan of this as a way to leverage existing equity.

-Tom

Post: Appraisal for MFR... land vs. rental income

Tom MurrayPosted
  • Realtor
  • Coronado, CA
  • Posts 43
  • Votes 39

BP - looking for help with a MFR appraisal. We're wrapping up a MFR rehab project (bringing more units online) and headed to the bank shortly for our second cash out refi on this project.

Any idea if the appraiser will be able to use our undeveloped land that has a Conditional Use Permit to justify a higher valuation? (14+ acres that is zoned such that it allows construction of more bldgs/units)

Or is valuation based solely on income from the in-service units? 

Thanks for any info!

-Tom

Post: How to find a Commercial Multifamily Loan <$1M

Tom MurrayPosted
  • Realtor
  • Coronado, CA
  • Posts 43
  • Votes 39

@Mary Lopez - second on using a mortgage broker.  I tried for months to find a lender for MF (10+ unit) before connecting with a broker.  We used the broker Stacksource (found on BP resources) and they found us multiple lenders.  And I believe BP Pro's get a discount on Stacksource's fee.  Good luck!

Post: First BRRRR - 10+ units Twentynine Palms, CA

Tom MurrayPosted
  • Realtor
  • Coronado, CA
  • Posts 43
  • Votes 39

Investment Info:
Small multi-family (10 units) BRRRR investment in Twentynine Palms, CA.

Purchase price: $450,000 (Mar 2018)
Cash invested: $300,000
Post-rehab value: $850,000 (Nov 2020)

First BRRRR, partnered with another investor 50/50 (work & money). Property is actually 13-units / 5 bldgs; first phase of BRRRR on this vacant property was to rehab 10 units and included lots of learning, many mistakes, and a ton of rehab. Result is 10 units online & rented and refi complete. Purchased from previous owner/operator who let property deteriorate and managed poorly. Used handyman and then contractors for all work. Rehab took 14 months in total; refi took another 17 months. Best part has been the learning! Now on to rehab the last 3 units and refi again.

What made you interested in investing in this type of deal?

Partner and I had been looking for small MFR that penciled to learn how to rehab and begin building a reliable passive income stream to supplement (and eventually replace W-2 income).

How did you find this deal and how did you negotiate it?

Our realtor invested in the same area, and our research uncovered a poorly marketed / vacant apartment complex.

How did you finance this deal?

Used seller-carried 1st (25% down); DP was covered from HELOCs against our primary residences. Along the way, used an LOC against another investment property and a hard money lender to cover rehab costs. Refinance was with a regional bank in CA.

How did you add value to the deal?

The apartments were run down and in need of all new kitchens (cabinets, counters, appliances), complete bathroom rehab, new HVAC (swamp coolers & furnaces >> mini splits), and the property needed electrical and plumbing updates.  We also cleaned up the exterior significantly, painted interior and exterior, and added an outdoor space for tenants.

What was the outcome?

Rehab was building by building, so we began placing tenants throughout rehab. Post-rehab and stabilization, we began to seek long term debt (early 2020); however, COVID slowed our financing search significantly. Stayed the course and used a broker to find us a CA regional bank willing to do a cash out refi. CoC return after 10-unit rehab is 7%; expected CoC after remaining 3 units come online is 12%.

Lessons learned? Challenges?

* Don't use handymen for big rehab, and don't try to remotely manage contractors (i.e., GC is critical).
* Everything costs more than expected, or... we need to do better at estimating.
* We got really creative with financing, and I definitely believe that if you have a deal, the money will flow.
* Hiring the right property manager (or wrong one!) can make or break you (we fired our PM 12 months in).
* So many others...

-Tom Murray, Pavo Group, LLC

Post: REI Meetup by Tom & Jason

Tom MurrayPosted
  • Realtor
  • Coronado, CA
  • Posts 43
  • Votes 39

Join hosts @Jason Moraff and @Tom Murray on November 14 to learn about REI and network with other real estate investors. We'll discuss why we started with MFR, how we financed our deals, and discuss a few different strategies for those interested in getting started in REI. Hope to see you there!

Post: Newbie in Los Angeles

Tom MurrayPosted
  • Realtor
  • Coronado, CA
  • Posts 43
  • Votes 39

Mike - welcome to BP!

Post: Looking for Private Money bridge to expand project

Tom MurrayPosted
  • Realtor
  • Coronado, CA
  • Posts 43
  • Votes 39

@Marty Johnston I'll send you an email.  

Post: Looking for Private Money bridge to expand project

Tom MurrayPosted
  • Realtor
  • Coronado, CA
  • Posts 43
  • Votes 39

Experienced investors looking for a PML. Project is a 13-unit complex in CA that is partially occupied (held by LLC). Financing to be used for next phase of expansion. First position is a seller carried note.

PM to discuss details.

Post: Using a heloc for a downpayment

Tom MurrayPosted
  • Realtor
  • Coronado, CA
  • Posts 43
  • Votes 39

@David Worker - I'm not sure if there's an industry standard, but in my research I've seen most banks & credit unions cap their products at about 75-80% combined loan-to-value (CLTV). Some have one product or a simple formula, and others have multiple products. I've worked with two different banks...

* The first bank was pretty straightforward - max of 75% combined loan-to-value (CLTV) for all mortgage / equity loans.

* The second had a sliding scale, and when the combined loan-to-value (CLTV...combo of 1st and 2nd position loans) increased, the max loan loan amount / LOC size dropped AND the interest rate increased. I believe their options varied from 70-95% CLTV (for HELOCs).

Of course each lender's underwriting process / guidelines may dictate other requirements or adjustments to specific terms.