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All Forum Posts by: Craig Kleffman

Craig Kleffman has started 11 posts and replied 38 times.

@Tino Julian what ever happened with this?  Is that deal steal out there waiting for us?  

--Craig.

Post: Finding Superstar Wholesalers In Los Angeles

Craig KleffmanPosted
  • Reseda, CA
  • Posts 78
  • Votes 48

Hi, 

I've made it a point to focus my REI on doing rehabs. As a result, I have invested neither time, effort, money, nor energy into wholesaling. (However, I would consider bird dogging deals to a wholesaler in exchange for some priority). I do this, I think, for better or worse.

First, the better.  I think focus and clarity is critical in moving ahead.  It's so easy--and tempting--to be distracted about some new latest greatest technique.  Even more dangerous, it's also tempting to believe that wholesaling is easy and doesn't cost much (I believe it's an acquired skill, that takes lots of investment of time, effort, energy, and money).  So, I've focused instead, on trying to find the greatest wholesalers in Los Angeles, in particular in the San Fernando Valley and more particularly in Northridge and Reseda.  But, over the past few weeks, I've not had great luck.  

Now, luck is nothing more than a measure of your effort and energy (read:  The harder I work the luckier I get).  So, I thought I'd share with the group my current game plan on how to find either the established local superstar wholesaler--or, nearly as good in my mind--the superstar who has started his climb up the mountain (because I'll happily latch my wagon to his and we can both make money on the way up).  

So, here's what I'm doing to try to find wholesalers in Los Angeles (Reseda and Northridge) right now:  

1.  Going through the forum posts to find active members (more emphasis on the pro members as it shows they have some commitment to the business) who list themselves as wholesalers.  I present all of them with my one page synopsis of my current and very focused plan (you can find it here:  https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LdWXhU9Ot5S3UF...).  

2.  Calling wholesalers who have bandit signs up in the area; 

3.  Calling wholesalers who advertise on the radio (I heard a radio ad last night); 

4.  Finding the local contractors on Bigger Pockets to see if they can lead me to the superstar wholesalers; and

5.  Finding and networking with Hard Money and Private lenders to see if they can lead to me superstar wholesalers; 

6.  Developing a list of the local escrow companies and see whether they can point me to the superstar flippers.  

7.  Try to find other rehabbers who would be willing to partner if I bring funding to the deal--in that scenario I would expect to be referred to their best wholesaler and construction crew.  

Now, I said for better or worse. the worse is I spend three months trying to find a superstar wholesaler who can get me a deal, but fail at that task. What are the risks that make up the potential failure? First, even if I find a wholesaler, why would they sell to me--an untested REI--when they can sell to their all-star buyers list, particularly if those buyers closed 50/50 of the last deals, pay all cash, and show up and write a check. So, what's the natural progression--or what should the natural progression be, all else being equal? It should be that the all-star rehabbers/investors work with the all star wholesalers, unless there's some reason not to. The reasons? 1) The deal sucks, so the all star investors refuse it, and the wholesalers naturally work down the list; or 2) the wholesaler will consider those further down the list, but only if the investor will offer something extra for the wholesaler (equity or greater cash I suppose).

It reminds about the old adage about how a movie director gets their first move:  Somehow.  So, somehow there has to be a way.  For me, I'll just keep working at it, contact by contact.  Something's got to give somewhere right?  

Anyone want to add anything to the list?  Or, even better, criticize my thinking?  I'd be delighted.  Honest.  

--Craig.

Love this post! Congrats. Very inspiring.

Hi, 

So, unique accounting and finance question for the group I think.  

We owe $22,000 on our 2014 minivan.  We borrowed the money at 1.9% interest.  The monthly payment is $630.  We have three years left on the minivan loan.  We have $30k in cash.  We earn about $180,000 per year.  We have no other consumer debt; although, we have student loans--under 4% interest--of about $130k; we pay something like $850 a month in debt service on the student loan debt.  The combined debt service is, consequently, $1,480 or so.  

We intend to buy/flip a property to ourselves.  Here are some details about the plan:  https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LdWXhU9Ot5S3UF....  

I think we could use one of several financing paths. First, we could buy a very distressed property with a hard sale lender, and then use it as a bridge loan to get to an FHA 203k and use all of that lower interest money to fund the rehab. Second, instead of a 203k loan, we could fix the property using funds from a hard money lender (or even some crowd sourced money mixed in with a loan against our retirement account), and then do a cash out refi at the end of the rehab and hold our property that way. Third, I suppose we could end up simply buying a retail property with conventional financing (perhaps a "paint-and-carpet" category property).

With that in mind, how do we optimize our cash vs. car loan? On the one hand, paying off the van provides us with $630 per month in extra cash flow, and will provide us with greater ability to borrow more money on a retail/traditional SFR. But, on the other hand, having $30k in cash seems to be very comforting to either a private lender or even a hard money lender.

I must admit I have a slight inclination to simply pay off the van.  We've been very aggressive with retiring debt.  And, I've never regretted it (for example, in 2014 we paid off $39,000 in student loan principal, and we did so even though we had our second child that year).  

I'd love to hear the thoughts of the gurus and the commoners :-).  

--Craig.  

Post: Need a partner to aid in funding flips

Craig KleffmanPosted
  • Reseda, CA
  • Posts 78
  • Votes 48

Any update @John Crandell?  

Post: Best Lead Ever

Craig KleffmanPosted
  • Reseda, CA
  • Posts 78
  • Votes 48

You should definitely follow-up.  Tell him your selling Catfish and you're calling on a referral that said he was the ultimate judge of "bottom feeding."  

Post: Birddogg App

Craig KleffmanPosted
  • Reseda, CA
  • Posts 78
  • Votes 48
@tucker merrihee. I downloaded app driving for dollars app. But couldn't get by the password. I'd really love to test it out. I heard about it on @dannyjohnson podcast.

Post: Los Angeles Meetup *** (Feb 21)

Craig KleffmanPosted
  • Reseda, CA
  • Posts 78
  • Votes 48

Very frustrated that Sundays are no good for me. . . and that's your regular meeting day.  I may have to convince my wife (who sees patients on Sundays) that we need to hire a babysitter . . . 

--Craig.

Post: West LA/Santa Monica Meetup

Craig KleffmanPosted
  • Reseda, CA
  • Posts 78
  • Votes 48

@Jeff Greenberg Can you please add me to the future meetup invites too please?  Thanks.  

--Craig.  

Post: any chance of a meet up?

Craig KleffmanPosted
  • Reseda, CA
  • Posts 78
  • Votes 48

Is there a list of meetups available anywhere for LA County investors?  Whether meetup.com, fibi, or somewhere here on Bigger Pockets?  

--Craig.