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All Forum Posts by: Tim Ehlers

Tim Ehlers has started 7 posts and replied 28 times.

Post: Investing in outside markets, advice please!

Tim EhlersPosted
  • Investor
  • San Marcos, CA
  • Posts 30
  • Votes 6

@Larry Fried@Ali Boone@Christine Kankowski@Josh Caldwell

Thank you for all of the replies so far.  as @jay pointed out it looks like the turn key route is very popular and I do see the appeal however that is not going to be my plan.  If I had a lot of extra capital then I would consider it however that is not the case right now.  I would prefer to keep my money as liquid as possible.

I want to be able to buy and repair the properties using my own team (or future team I should say) in order to keep the extra equity in the property rather then giving it over to a turn-key wholesaler. My plan will be to acquire the properties with hard or private money, rehab it and then rent it. Once it is rented I will then re-finance in order to draw as much of the cash out as possible. If I can remain under the 80% LTV mark then I should be able to obtain the properties with minimal money tied up.

In a market where properties can be purchased and rehabbed for under $125K I can avoid the hard money fees and pay cash.  Luckily this is my full time job now so traveling to different markets to research the neighborhoods and interview team members is easily done.  

@Jay Hinrichsundefined

Jay, what areas on the west coast are you referring to?

Thanks again!

Post: Are obese people a protected class?

Tim EhlersPosted
  • Investor
  • San Marcos, CA
  • Posts 30
  • Votes 6
Originally posted by @Jean Bolger:

 Yep, I've been to Wisconsin, lol.

LOL, love this comment.  Sorry Jean but I've been to Aurora....I think they left that part of CO out during the "Fittest State" survey!  Sorry, I just moved out of Boulder so I had to throw that in... :-)

Post: feedback needed - HELOC strategy

Tim EhlersPosted
  • Investor
  • San Marcos, CA
  • Posts 30
  • Votes 6

Also, when you are ready for your second property, why not take that experience and success and pitch it to a partner (family member, friend, etc) and offer an equity share in the property if they provide the needed up front funds?

Post: feedback needed - HELOC strategy

Tim EhlersPosted
  • Investor
  • San Marcos, CA
  • Posts 30
  • Votes 6

Teo, my experience with a HELOC so far has been that they will not give more then about 80-85% of the appraised value (the bank will order an appraisal when you apply) so unless you have significant equity in the property then a HELOC may not work. If you buy a severely distressed property to start with (hard money or private money) and fix it up, then refinance it to a standard 30 year loan you may have some equity to tap into for the second one. My recommendation would be to refinance the property a second time after a year or so when you are ready as apposed to a HELOC and then roll that money into the second one. Consult your CPA but any cash out from a refinance should be tax free!

Post: Investing in outside markets, advice please!

Tim EhlersPosted
  • Investor
  • San Marcos, CA
  • Posts 30
  • Votes 6

Hello, I just moved to the North San Diego area from Boulder, CO. In colorado I did a couple of flips and a couple of rentals so I have a little bit of experience, enough to get me into trouble!. I have a few questions I am going to get some insight on. My overall goal is to create $10K in passive income per month using rentals (SFR up to multi-family apartments). Here in the San Diego area as you can imagine there are very few cash flow opportunities. I still haven't found a way to make the 0.2% rule work out! My goal down here is to complete my real estate sales license and work with investors, flip my own houses and start a property management company. My questions are geared towards investors who have experience in investing in holds outside of their own state.

1.  What areas are you currently investing?  What types of units are you investing in with what types or returns?

2.  How did you find your team in the area?

3. How are you finding your properties?

4.  When you are ready to shift to another market how do you research the new ones?  What do you look for to determine whether a specific market is good for you?

5.  Any other advice that you think I should consider?

My goal over the next few months is to meet AS MANY people as possible and deliver my business plan in hopes to cultivate potential business partners.  these can include team members, partners or lenders.

Thanks in advance for any information, it is greatly appreciated.

Post: My First Project and Success (sort of)

Tim EhlersPosted
  • Investor
  • San Marcos, CA
  • Posts 30
  • Votes 6

Thank you for all of the replies and encouragement so far!  It is greatly appreciated.  I want to share a couple of things that I learned in regards to the student rental.  First of all, make sure your city allows it.  You can call the planning dept. and ask them what the "non related occupancy limits" are in a single family home.  In lakewood it happened to be a maximum of Five non-related people as long as there were at least 500sf of space per occupant and at least one "livable" space per occupant.  Denver has different laws as do many other cities.

Also, I had to make the basement bedrooms conforming meaning they had to have egress windows installed, this was a $7000 project for two windows.

Have a strong lease professionally prepared and then have someone who has done this type of rental review it also.  My lease was 18 pages all said and sone, it labeled what were the "common" areas and how they were to be maintained.  How utilities were handled, noise complaints an party clause, maintenance, snow removal etc.  Made a huge difference.

Post: My First Project and Success (sort of)

Tim EhlersPosted
  • Investor
  • San Marcos, CA
  • Posts 30
  • Votes 6
Originally posted by @Anson Young:

Congratulations in thinking way outside the box on this one, the student housing turned a big loss into cashflow even as is.  Halfway house alone would have prevented me from taking on that project in Denver/Lakewood.  Not many Denver areas are C class neighborhoods at $320k, however.

 Anson, thank you for the reply and I hear what you are saying.  Definitely a newbie mistake buying the house across the street from the halfway house although if I went in with a different plan to begin with then I would probably have a great property right now with much less money into it.  One of my lessons learned is just how "micro" the microeconomics in real estate can be.  Like your comment on the $320K house not being in a "C" neighborhood you are absolutely right.  One street behind my house and one block north would be considered "B" neighborhoods and then a few more blocks closer to Sloan's Lake would have some definite "A" areas.  

Post: My First Project and Success (sort of)

Tim EhlersPosted
  • Investor
  • San Marcos, CA
  • Posts 30
  • Votes 6

Hello fellow BP'ers.  My name is Tim Ehlers and this is my first post.  It's long but hopefully informative  I would like to share my experience with my first project, where I screwed up, what I learned and how I got out of a potentially bad situation.  I call it a success for a few reasons, even though I lost a little bit of money in the end.  My success came from the experience itself, how to find a team, how to protect myself, learning construction costs and many, many more!

The home was a SFR in Lakewood, CO. 4 bed 2 bath build in the early '60's. It was pretty much in original condition. Original wood floors, small kitchen, one GIANT bathroom on the main floor with 2 beds and a small bath on the full basement with 2 beds. The neighborhood would be classified as a "C" neighborhood I think, however, directly across the street was a very large halfway house. The house was purchase through a well known and respected wholesaler in the area and the contractor I started with had done a lot of work for other investors in the area. I did call his references and also walk one of his jobs which looked great. I paid $198K after the wholesaler fee

Long story short I did not manage the contractor well, paid way too much ahead of time and then he disappeared with $22k of my dollars (along with about 200K from other investors including my wholesaler).  Some of his subs also never got paid by him so they decided to break into the house and rip out all the plumbing and electrical work they had performed.  He is still MIA to this day.  I found another contractor and he and his team were amazing and completed all the work (plus another flip for me and a few for my buddy).

The house looked BEAUTIFUL when it was done, so beautiful in fact that it should have been in a MUCH nicer neighborhood.  We gutted the upstairs bath and turned it into two which created a master suite.  So, my second major mistake was completely over-rehabbing the property.  With the lost 22K I had put almost 85K into the house.  should have been 30K-35K.  

When the home went on the market there were almost 70 showings total in the first 5 weeks without one single offer, not even a low ball.  Of the 70 showing any about 35 actually got out of their car to see the inside.  The halfway house across the street was killing me.  I had the house listed at $320K, my comps were $330-$340K with less then a week on the market on average.  I dropped the price to $290K, still nothing.  Ugh.  

One night I was looking at google earth around the neighborhood and noticed a large building on the other side of the halfway house.  It was labeled as a university.  I searched for it and found out that it is an art and design college with a few thousand students that attend for four year and graduate degrees.  I had thought about getting a month to month renter into the house to help offset my hard money payment (10% or about $1700 per month) but market rent in the area was about $1600.   I emailed the college to ask if they need student housing.  The next day I get a phone call from the student coordinator with and astounding YES! There is a huge shortage of affordable student housing in the area and if I wanted she would market, interview and find a group of students to move in for a six month lease.  I said I would consider but the price would have to be about $700 per room and she said not a problem.  $2800 per month!.

I contacted a local attorney and had him help me draft a lease agreement which would allow me to rent each room in the house individually.  I chose this route versus a single lease for simplicity.  The students were on different schedules and I didn't want to have to constantly fight with the group when one left.  They are art students after all.  No parties, no fraternities...just lots of ganja and Starbucks.  It is Colorado don't forget!

So within 30 days it was fully leased and even with my hard money loan still in place I am cash flowing about $400 per month. I then put together a pro-forma about the property and sent it out to every local investor I could find and put it on the MLS as an income producing property and it is now under contract for close to my original asking price. I would have LOVED to keep it because if I could have refinanced it at 4% the cashflow would be close to $1000k per month. My problem is that I don't have any income right now. I sold my business the year before and quit my job as a paramedic. I have money but nothing to qualify for a standard loan. The two local portfolio lenders I met with would not give me any higher then 70% LTV which overall is decent, I just don't want to have that much money tied up into one property right now. I'll add another post to this later about what I learned throughout the process, this is probably enough right now.

My biggest lesson was this...When you have a potential project ask yourself "Who will my customer be"?  Customers are buyers AND/OR tenants and I had the wrong customer in mind.  I imagined a young family with kids and professional parents who wanted to be close to Downtown Denver.  Wrong!